'Official' F800GS Preview - OFFICIALLY SHOWN!

[Rob]

Well, I think it's about time for this thread. I for one am REALLY chomping at the bit to see one of these! Let's take a look at what we know already, or what we think we know:

Based off of the F800 Powered by the F800S
Motor Chain drive, as it's been reported that a belt drive will, "dilute the GS brand" (although this may not be correct) The contract to produce the F650GS motor expires in October of this year. A replacement is logically needed by then.
A few photo-chop pictures:
http://es.geocities.com/xavier_gordillo/varias/pF800GS_Dakar.jpg
The latest photo-chop featuring an F800GS Dakar model. This started poping up on the web about a month ago? This might be the most accurate of the chops to date. The smaller beak is probable, as is the bash plate. The bags however are doubtful, although they would be nice! The upper engine guard without the lower guard is probably not going to happen either. Additionally, the F800GS busting out like the Kool-Aid man with a Dakar model is most likely not going to happen either.

http://www.gspassion.com/gsp2/images/stories/articoli_GSP/gsp800a.jpg
This chop has been around for a bit. Developed by GSPassion.com (check the site out under Prototypes to see how they constructed it) Beak of a R12GSA, tank of a R12R, etc. Probably not too accurate.

http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/1324/2007bmwf800gsr0wf.jpg
Behold what possibly might be the first photo-chop of an F800GS. Developed obviously by raptors and rockets, it's basically the top of a R12GS on the bottom of a F800S. Yay. :D

http://f800riders.org/forum/UPLOADED/Onebag/2006126154619_1930_normal.jpg
Just another not accurate photo-chop here. Starting with the headlight like the now officially defunct R1200ST, this chop is based off the F800S publicity photo. Add a side panel and hand guards off of the R1200GS and a little MS paint majic, and wha-laa!

Let's play the guessing game here. I'll start:
Shown at EICMA this year Pricing and weight similar to to F800ST Available in Europe late this year. Available in US for next riding season due to the departure of the hot selling (amazingly so) F650GS The very first one imported will be parked in my garage. [lol2]

[Pancho]

I wonder:
-why not final belt drive? Buell Ulyses have it and it's "trail" (must have better belt protection)
-perhaps new 650 X series front lights?

I rode a R1200GS before buying my ST and really like it. After 4000km on my ST had the chance to ride back on the GS.... [puke] not a chance to have one GS on my garage!

[mr moto]

i truly hope it,s not going to be shown for the first time at intermot, as the next intermot is not until october 2008 ! it,s a bi-annual show , i was at the last one in 2006. if it is coming this year it will be at the next major euro bike shows, paris at the end of september,eicma at milan in november or the uk, nec show . i just hope that it comes with chain drive , a five gallon tank , and a steel/alloy sumpgaurd and crashbars as standard . and please bmw , give it a decent paint job ! . i will be attending all these shows so i realy do hope it makes an appearance at, at least one of them .

[the1sen]

the more i delve into the BMW lineup, the more intrigued i become.

i am interested in the 800GS to see if they will have adjustable front suspension and an adventure model.

for me, it'd be an excuse to buy one and move into the enduro world for the first time.

[Rob]

Originally posted by mr moto

i truly hope it,s not going to be shown for the first time at intermot, as the next intermot is not until october 2008 ! it,s a bi-annual show , i was at the last one in 2006. if it is coming this year it will be at the next major euro bike shows, paris at the end of september,eicma at milan in november or the uk, nec show . i just hope that it comes with chain drive , a five gallon tank , and a steel/alloy sumpgaurd and crashbars as standard . and please bmw , give it a decent paint job ! . i will be attending all these shows so i realy do hope it makes an appearance at, at least one of them .


Sorry about that, changed it to EICMA.

[pushrod]

Originally posted by mr moto

i truly hope it,s not going to be shown for the first time at intermot, as the next intermot is not until october 2008 ! i just hope that it comes with chain drive , a five gallon tank , and a steel/alloy sumpgaurd and crashbars as standard . and please bmw , give it a decent paint job ! . i realy do hope it makes an appearance at, at least one of them .


all of the above, plus reasonable seat height and pegs not bending the legs too much.

[brian]

All I know is if they make it I'm most likely going to trade my ST in for one. An F800 with pelican cases is my dream ride. Hopefully it will be belt driven.

[Barance]

Found this, not sure what the date was..

http://www.bmwmotorrad.co.za/bikes/news/display.asp?Id=524

[Rob]

Originally posted by Barance

Found this, not sure what the date was..

http://www.bmwmotorrad.co.za/bikes/news/display.asp?Id=524


August 2006. [lol2]

[Geir]

Hello
Went to see my dealer today and talked about the 800gs,asked if there where some news,he had a big grin on his face when he said maybe the Paris show in the autumn.
I have now an official order on this bike and will get the first one available in Norway:D
Geir
ps:the ST will go back to the dealer late august.

[the1sen]

you sure you want to be first again Geir?

it'd be a terrible shame to have to endure more of the nightmare you've already gone through.

just food for thought.

[Rob]

No, no.

I'll be first with the F800GS. :D

[Barance]

Originally posted by Rob

Originally posted by Barance

Found this, not sure what the date was..

http://www.bmwmotorrad.co.za/bikes/news/display.asp?Id=524


August 2006. [lol2]


[:I][:I]

[Mystic]

Rob

If the roll out is the same as the S andST you'll be seeing the bike a year after Geir and about 6 months after me.


Have you thought about a private import. Or do you want to wait till the bike is sorted by the rest of the world first.

I want better colours for the GS.

Wouldn't it be neat to have a GS with some sort of hydrolastic suspension. You press a button and it lowers down for road riding (I'm thinking of the Citroen) or when you're coming to a stop. When you're ready to go you hope on, ride off then press a button to lift the bike up again.

[the1sen]

Originally posted by Mystic
Wouldn't it be neat to have a GS with some sort of hydrolastic suspension. You press a button and it lowers down for road riding (I'm thinking of the Citroen) or when you're coming to a stop. When you're ready to go you hope on, ride off then press a button to lift the bike up again.


the k1200s has something like that already. sweet option. hell, i'd buy a gs if it had that feature.

[Geir]

Hello
The1sen
Bikes are like wifes,unhappy with the first try an other one:D
I am on my third:D Never been happier than my last 12 years of marriage.
Geir

Sorry Rob off topic

[Petro]

Originally posted by Rob

Well, I think it's about time for this thread. I for one am REALLY chomping at the bit to see one of these! Let's take a look at what we know already, or what we think we know:

Based off of the F800S Powered by the F800S Motor Chain drive, as it's been reported that a belt drive will, "dilute the GS brand" (although this may not be correct The contract to produce the F650GS motor expires in October of this year. A replacement is logically needed by then.

Hi Rob

Why the specific/exclusive mention of the "F800S"? The motors of F800S and ST are the same. If the fairings are to go anyway, that leaves pretty much only the handle bars to argue or speculate about - and the GS's are usually more upright than sports or even sports-tourers.

Not meaning to be pedantic - just senstive to the ST!

I wonder why one would think that the absence of a chain might dilute the GS genre. The bigger GS's are shaft driven not chain. However, the money does seem to be on a chain-driven GS800.

My next bike will be the F800GS. Hopefully I won't have to trade the F800ST. Like Mystic, I'll be in a position to give you a thorough review of the bike after personal experience before its US release.

Cheers

[Petro]

I shared our info on this thread with a colleague who is into GS (1200). He sent me a reply email as follows:

"I feel they will have to re-work the F800 engine characteristic ie to give some grunt lower down if they are really serious about true dual sport mode and not just making a “Tiger” equivalent as a marketing exercise. A good example of this is Kwaka KLR / KLE series. The KLE (just reintroduced) is a 500cc high revving twin in a dual-sport chassis – 21” wheel etc and KLR is 650 single thumper. Looking at both and talking to [riders of both], the KLR is the more capable off road machine even allowing for 150cc difference. As [a rider] reports, the KLE engine needs to be kept in the upper rev range which is ok on the road but a bit limiting off road. There may be parallels (yes intended). I’m sure the good burghers at BMW city will be on top of all this but it will be interesting to see which way they jump re treatment of 800/650 models."

Be interesting to get some views on this.

[NorCalMO]

Originally posted by Petro

I shared our info on this thread with a colleague who is into GS (1200). He sent me a reply email as follows:

"I feel they will have to re-work the F800 engine characteristic ie to give some grunt lower down if they are really serious about true dual sport mode and not just making a “Tiger” equivalent as a marketing exercise. A good example of this is Kwaka KLR / KLE series. The KLE (just reintroduced) is a 500cc high revving twin in a dual-sport chassis – 21” wheel etc and KLR is 650 single thumper. Looking at both and talking to [riders of both], the KLR is the more capable off road machine even allowing for 150cc difference. As [a rider] reports, the KLE engine needs to be kept in the upper rev range which is ok on the road but a bit limiting off road. There may be parallels (yes intended). I’m sure the good burghers at BMW city will be on top of all this but it will be interesting to see which way they jump re treatment of 800/650 models."

Be interesting to get some views on this.


No offense but he doesn't know what he's talking about. Has he actually ridden an F800 (or a 1200GS for that matter?).

The current tune of the F800 would make a fine off-road bike with the possible exception of a lower first gear ratio.

[Geir]

Hello
My quess on the 800gs
75hp with lot of power low down 2000\3500rpm
Max speed 160-180 km\h
Same weight or close to the ST
Chain driven
22l gas tank
Big original panniers(not same as the 1200gs)
Upright driving position
color options red\blue\yellow
aluminum or spoked weels as an option
Broader seat
A bike for all seasons

Why do people want the GS style of bike,I have come to the conclusion that it is the comfortable riding position with a good view(you can actually see far ahead)easy on your back for those of us with that problem(I have reached the sparparts age)
Able to carry lots of luggage
Not to interested in top speed over 200km\hr
Can do gravel\sand roads if you want too.
As told before went to North Cape this summer saw a lot of the 1200GS all on tarmac,same in the Alps last year.
I think the overall majority of GS riders normally spend 95-98% on tarmac and very little serious offroading.
Or is it the "Malboro man"image that make us by thees bikes.:D

Geir

[NorCalMO]

Originally posted by Geir

Hello
My quess on the 800gs
75hp with lot of power low down 2000\3500rpm

I think the overall majority of GS riders normally spend 95-98% on tarmac and very little serious offroading.
Or is it the "Malboro man"image that make us by thees bikes.:D

Geir


I hope you're wrong on the power as I won't be buying it if so. The bike does not need to be detuned and honestly, I would be surprised if BMW does.

Personally, I'm hoping the 800GS is an attempt to compete with the more focused products of KTM's 950/990 range. I want it be a little sharper edged and aimed at a more serious off-road readiness (with acceptable road manners).

The current Boxer GS range is the road bike/trail style if you want that (and very good too - I've owned three of them). If the 800GS is too soft, I'm going to be buying a KTM.

[Geir]

Hello
The reason for my quess at 75hp is they cant have the max hp to close to the 1200,it would be a serious contender of the 1200.
Same weight or less than the 1200 with only 15hp less,will probably give you the same hp\weight ratio,same max speed,in a smaller more nimble frame.
That would be my dream bike.
I bought a 1200gs in 2004,the first in Norway and the first 1200 at North Cape,I have only good things to say about that bike,the only reason I sold it:to big and bulky for a small man to handle at slow speed\heavy traffic.
Geir

[Micky]

Originally posted by NorCalMO

Originally posted by Petro

I shared our info on this thread with a colleague who is into GS (1200). He sent me a reply email as follows:

"I feel they will have to re-work the F800 engine characteristic ie to give some grunt lower down if they are really serious about true dual sport mode and not just making a “Tiger” equivalent as a marketing exercise. A good example of this is Kwaka KLR / KLE series. The KLE (just reintroduced) is a 500cc high revving twin in a dual-sport chassis – 21” wheel etc and KLR is 650 single thumper. Looking at both and talking to [riders of both], the KLR is the more capable off road machine even allowing for 150cc difference. As [a rider] reports, the KLE engine needs to be kept in the upper rev range which is ok on the road but a bit limiting off road. There may be parallels (yes intended). I’m sure the good burghers at BMW city will be on top of all this but it will be interesting to see which way they jump re treatment of 800/650 models."

Be interesting to get some views on this.


No offense but he doesn't know what he's talking about. Has he actually ridden an F800 (or a 1200GS for that matter?).

The current tune of the F800 would make a fine off-road bike with the possible exception of a lower first gear ratio.


Totally agree NorCalIMO, the engine is great as it is. It's actually faster than a 1200GS (in F800ST mode anyway)quicker on the acceleration (I've ridden on der Nürburgring with pals on the 1200's [^]

I've got the first one through Rainbow's (Rotherham) doors [drink]

www.adventure.gs

[batamali]

I think the overall majority of GS riders normally spend 95-98% on tarmac and very little serious offroading.

I second that, and honestly, it's my intention also. So, as a potential buyer, I expect less weight, more maneuverability, higher MPG, LOWER PRICE and more or less the same HP as 1200gs ;)

I'm not that much interested in serious off-road capabilities [:I] but I like the GS looks soooooo much...

So, I apologize to all of you pro trackers, I'm into it for esthetics and upright position [hide]

[Dave G]

If it looks anything like the yellow mock up - where do I sign?
I want one[:P]

Dave

[Donkes]

"... the overall majority of GS riders normally spend 95-98% on tarmac and very little serious offroading"

Note how many SUV's never see dirt. Neither do the majority of GS's. Riders may fancy themselves on dirt roads but rarely ever make it there. I still want one.

[Petro]

Another version of the August 2006 announcement alluded to earlier in this thread (from Faster and Faster site):

Wednesday, August 23, 2006
New BMW F800GS announced

Attached Image:

http://F800Riders.org/forum_old/UPLOADED/Petro/2007723231755_R1200GS.jpg

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The BMW R1200GS will soon have an 800cc cousin

BMW have confirmed the development of their new 800 series of motorcycles – the off-road/dual-purpose F800GS, and the F800R, which will be in the Honda VFR sport-touring niche.

The F800GS should be the ideal bike for those who love the R1200GS’ off-road style and capability, but who’re intimidated by the 1200’s sheer heft and bulk. The 800 will also pack more power than the existing F650 (which will continue to remain in the BMW range), so it should carve a nice niche for itself.

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This is the engine that'll be fitted to the F800GS and other forthcoming BMW bikes. The chick is only there to... umm... er, make the pic more interesting?

A new naked 800 is being developed, which will be on the lines of the aggressive, sporty K1200R. And finally, there will also be a new F450GS, which will be in the mould of the BMW HP2 – lightweight, powerful and totally focused on off-road applications. BMW definitely seem to be going all-out towards developing newer, sportier, more aggressive bikes. Nice!

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BMW may also do a 800cc version of the K1200R


Postscript: Although not a mechanic, I can see myself taking a greater interest in the motor when the F800GS arrives! It will be my next bike.

[imacad]

[clap][clap][clap][clap][clap][clap]
Heard the same @ the dealership. They got the official word too.
Looks like it might reach the US in spring of '08.

Hope to see it at the International Motorcycle Show in Dec.

[nelly]

Just been told by my dealer that the 800GS will be out in Feb/March next year. Def chain drive, its a shame cos I really dont want to go back to chain.

[Donkes]

"BMW will release the F800GS two-cylinder Adventure Touring bike in 2008, with looks similar to the R1200GS. Adventure Touring sales in the UK mirror those in the U.S., where the "Dual Sport" segment grew faster in the 2006 than any other segment."

Reported in webbikeworld.com buried in the first 6 month bike sales.


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[Rob]

Word that we've gotten recently points toward a first showing at the Paris Motorcycle Show at the end of September.

[the1sen]

Originally posted by Rob

Word that we've gotten recently points toward a first showing at the Paris Motorcycle Show at the end of September.


can't you just e-mail Arturo Piero, Dirk Biehler and Laurence Kuykendall in between their cricket games with krapdm?

[Herleman]

Can it be built with a self deploying kickstand for those of us who are stationarily upright impaired?

[Rob]

Originally posted by the1sen

Originally posted by Rob

Word that we've gotten recently points toward a first showing at the Paris Motorcycle Show at the end of September.


can't you just e-mail Arturo Piero, Dirk Biehler and Laurence Kuykendall in between their cricket games with krapdm?

[lol2] No, and I hate you. :D



I would like to volunteer to 'evaluate' an F800GS though with the George Foreman guarantee that no motorcycle ever will get more coverage anywhere in the world than on here with that bike when it comes out! I can be contact at roberto at f800riders dot org

[Rob]

Umm... there's also a thread fest going on about this bike at ADVRider.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5047131

[the1sen]

[lmao]

yeah, and even though i've not ridden a GS, i'd give it a testdrive when the 800cc flavor arrives

[mr moto]

now this look,s like what i am expecting from BMW , i just hope that the ADV panniers are an option .[8D]

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[de100kb]

Thanks mr Moto, have not seen that before. Looks quite realistically possible but for the front fork and the absence of the top half of the belt cover?

Where did you find the pic?

[mr moto]

it,s from a thread over on the ukgser forum , the poster says it was taken from the french magazine boxermag , he also says that they mentioned an rt version of the 800 . i expect to see the real thing at the end of september , at the paris show .

[Herleman]

Forget the bike -- Petro, where can we find that girl?

[Herleman]

Rob:

This may seem like a dumb question, but -- what is it that makes a bike take on the "GS" moniker?

What things would have to change on the F800 to make it fit that description?

It occurs to me that perhaps with some sort of dirt road traction tires (knobbies??) and a good set of crash bars, the current bike would be very capable.

[Pancho]

Harleman:
1-Long travel suspension
2-tires
3-upright riding position
4-protected exhaust/bottom of engine
5-why not hand guards
6-spoke wheels
7-higher ground clearance...

And to every one. Ain't this the most expected arrival on years of BMW? Or we are the only anxious?

[Geir]

Panco
This bike will definitely sell as ice cream on a hot summers day,every one I am talking to is waiting for this bike,and the main reason is : a GS in a small package, in my opinion the 1200 is to bulky for people under 6feet and needs a lot of extras to be ridden in comfort and handling in heavy traffic.
I know because I had the first ever in Norway,I was so tired of to dancing on my toes every time I came to a stop,on down hills impossible to find any ground:D
PS:Iam 5´7"
Geir

[Geir]

Latest news:
Spoke to my dealer today,to tell him I was satisfied with my bike now(after the software upgrade),asked him about any news on the GS he told me that he got words from BMW yesterday that all their new bikes and other news will be shown in Milano first week in November.
No showing at Paris show.
Geir

[haildamage]

I wonder why one would think that the absence of a chain might dilute the GS genre. The bigger GS's are shaft driven not chain. However, the money does seem to be on a chain-driven GS800.



because belt drives don't like gravel, sand, etc.

shaft and chain drives don't have this problem. if this thing is light weight enough i suspect more people will actually take them on fire roads, etc.

you street only riders already have your belt driven S and ST. this bike is for guys who wanna be able to get off the tarmac!

i wish this bike were coming out now. i'm ready to change bikes and i don't know if i can wait until 2008!

[mr moto]

according to an article in motorcyclenews, the F800GS will not be shown at the paris show ,but wil make it,s first appearance at the EICMA show in milan in november .

[Grdn]

> Note how many SUV's never see dirt.
> Neither do the majority of GS's.
> Riders may fancy themselves on dirt
> roads but rarely ever make it there.

For a large number of people, 'image *IS* everything'. SUV's / GS's look strong and outdoorsy, don't they? H-D have maintained a growing business based on image (including sound) for decades.

I live in Canberra, one of Australia's larger inland cities. We have all sorts of roads in the area which are a lot of fun for riders. Many of our non-urban, non-highway roads switch between tar and dirt even between townships, so a dual purpose bike means I can ride all these roads, not just the black ones. So for Canberrans dual purpose bikes make a lot more sense than sports bikes or cruisers. It's not just about image.

I had discounted the 1200GS based on bang/buck camparing Tiger and V-Strom. And the only other real alternatives are single cylinder thumpers. The F650 just doesn't have enough grunt for me these days, and comfort would be dubious on the 300-500km per day rides I'm doing more and more of. I was ready to decide until I heard about the possibility of an F800GS. So now I'll wait ... for a while at least. It could be EXACTLY the right bike for me (and I suspect many other people).

[mr moto]

the chain drive F800GS engine is already up and running :D

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[Donkes]

The question as to a F800 GS really coming took place in another thread. I refer to the webbikeworld.com article on BMW sales.

Note webBikeworld.com:

May 23, 2007 - Motorcycle News reports that Adventure Touring bikes like the Triumph Tiger and BMW R1200GS make up the fastest growing segment, with sales up 53% so far in 2007 and over 67% in March alone. [u]BMW will release the F800GS two-cylinder Adventure Touring bike in 2008, with looks similar to the R1200GS.</u> Adventure Touring sales in the UK mirror those in the U.S., where the "Dual Sport" segment grew faster in the 2006 than any other segment.

This should be good news. Hope it helps.

[Bookum]

Where are the damn spy photos? [ahh] We saw the R1200RT nearly a year before its' release. On this model were down to the last days before we see for real and all we have is crappy photoshop junk.[bh]

[Rob]

Originally posted by mr moto

according to an article in motorcyclenews, the F800GS will not be shown at the paris show ,but wil make it,s first appearance at the EICMA show in milan in november .

That seems to be what everything is pointing to now... Bummer.

[mr moto]

Originally posted by Rob

Originally posted by mr moto

according to an article in motorcyclenews, the F800GS will not be shown at the paris show ,but wil make it,s first appearance at the EICMA show in milan in november .

That seems to be what everything is pointing to now... Bummer.

arrgghh !!![ahh] i have already booked my flight to paris for the opening day of the show , now i will have to go to the milan show as well ? :Doh well, it,s a tough life :D.
and thank god for the budget airlines [clap].

[Donkes]

To love and lost is better than to have never loved at all. [drink]

[Nadeem]

Not sure if you chaps have heard about the latest info given to dealer principals at the beginning of this week at a meeting:

None of the mock up pics look anything like the 800.

F800GS
21 inch front wheel, upside down forks, 890mm seat height(870 low) 85bhp chain £6k plus

F650GS
detuned 800 engine 55bhp but still 790cc(why call it a 650?) lower seat height than above approx £5250

Face lifted 1200 and 1200 adv
105 bhp engine(R1200R) reqs 98ron fuel. Looks very very different to the existing 12s. It is said that if a new and old model where side by side you could tell them apart at 100m. 1200 colours orange, blue, silver. ADV colours beige!!! and met red. price increase of £100

GX450 off road bike 50bhp under 130kg fully fuelled £5500. Something special about swing arm /chain/clutch to keep the chain tight when going over jumps.

HP2 sport HP version of the 1200S

[de100kb]

Thanks for sharing Nadeem! So it will be chain driven [^] Great, no reason to trade in my S then no mater what it looks like [8D]

Like the USD front though, and I wonder who will be the first to convert one for a S or ST [lol2]

[mr moto]

thank,s Nadeem :D very interesting news indeed .i must mention this to the guys over on the ADV riders site . they are running a massive thread all about this bike . thanks .

[Fastfwd]

890mm seat height(870 low)

great! I'll have to wait for an aftermarket low seat before I can even think of getting one.

[Nadeem]

No worries chaps - was given the info this week and has been confirmed by a call to my local dealer also. I think I might hold off ordering an F800ST till I get a look at the new GS800. It should hopefully be at the NEC to see in the flesh...

[Rob]

Just for the record - Nadeem is from the UK.

That 'F650GS' that you reported on is most like equivalent to the reduced power F800 S/ST that is currently available in the UK and I presume through Europe as well. It is not imported (or available?) into the US.

If the pricing is correct, that is very, very close to the F800S in terms of pricing. I could see it being priced at 10-11k in the US, which would be make it very, very successful IMHO.

In regards to the seat height - that is really friggin tall! (!!!) The R1200GS is 860mm. The R1200GS Adventure is 895mm. I have a feeling that aftermarket seats are going to be wildly popular for this guy.

We shall see though...

[ray_rev]

Oh no. Massive seat height. Which was -not- what the doctor ordered. However I do notice that BMW are now making a 760mm seat for the 800S and ST, for £90. Hopefully something will be done for the GS, coz I couldn't countenance an 800GS w/out it.

Ray

[Geir]

With that seat height on the 800GS and a down graded engine to 55hp on the 650GS.
I will rather keep my ST and forget the GS if the rumors is correct
Geir

[Pancho]

the only way I'd maybe think of a 800GS would be a belted way, if not, I'll keep my ST.
It's reliable the info on the F650GS? First news where of a 700 mono cylinder F700GS...

[Nadeem]

The GS is unlikely to be belted as it is technically a 'trail bike' - concerns with crap getting in the belt afaik - can't figure how getting mud in a belt is any worse than a chain...[huh]

The details that I posted earlier have been confirmed by two different uk dealers - still no pics yet...first sighting is likely to be at the Milan show followed closely by the NEC Bikeshow. Hopefully they're accurate ...!

[Crinkly]

Spoke to a bloke on a Buell [eek2] some time back. Said "Belt drive - all bikes should be made that way - low maintenance". He then told me that he had managed to pick up a piece of grit / small pebble in the belt drive and that the rear pulley had shattered. In his words "The belt is strong enough to survive a nuclear blast, but the high tension means that anything that gets trapped in the belt destroys the pulley"

Seems like belt drive would not be good for off-road. Of course a fully enlosed belt drive would be perfect but we're all too fickle and fashion-conscious to accept such a thing [puke]

[Micky]

Originally posted by Nadeem

The GS is unlikely to be belted as it is technically a 'trail bike' - concerns with crap getting in the belt afaik - can't figure how getting mud in a belt is any worse than a chain...[huh]

The details that I posted earlier have been confirmed by two different uk dealers - still no pics yet...first sighting is likely to be at the Milan show followed closely by the NEC Bikeshow. Hopefully they're accurate ...!




Mud is not the problem, but stones and grit would shred a belt in minutes. A chain just chews it all up!

My info is the same as yours Nadeem [clap]

I'll be at the Milan bike show for shure...

Not a problem to me if they are chain drive... we did 19,300 miles, 23 countries, crap roads and deserts on one set of chain and sprockets :D

If a shaft drive lets go you're well and truly down the creek without a paddle [eek]

www.adventure.gs

[Nadeem]

Lotsa pics then Micky...I'll be at the press day at the NEC - got my pass sorted ...:D

[Pancho]

Crinkly, they were talking about Buell Ulysses or others? The Ulysses is belt drive and is "on-off road" how they achieved a belt drive on that? Fully enclosed? Is that ugly?

[Kaj]

Years and years ago there were chain drives which were fully enclosed, I still don't understand why those disappeared...if GS will be with chains, then it is absolutely NOT for me.

[Crinkly]

Pancho, the bloke was on a road Buell (can't tell you the model number).

This guy definitely wasn't a fan of belt drives even though he'd got one. Not sure I believe his story though. If he'd really had a pulley 'shatter' I'm at a loss as to how he knew it was caused by a stone. Must have had the air crash investigators in, combing the area with tweezers & magnifying glasses :D

[Bookum]

I ride a Harley-Davidson Road King at work:(, soon to be a Honda ST1300P :D. YES, a rock or stone WILL cause the pulley to crack or break apart all together! A partner of mine chased someone down a railroad access road one time and a rock became logged in the pulley and YES the pulley was destroyed! Maybe the best idea, which we all know would never happen!!, would be to have a belt drive GS and a chain drive GS Adventure. 99% of "adventure riders" don't go bombing down tight single track better suited to be ridden on a KTM450EXC! They ride down a dirt road over the mountain and then back onto the pavement for the next 4 hours, that part should have no issue with a belt drive. IMHO, the belt would be the most simple way, no sprockets, no oil, no maintenance, no headaches [ride]! But I'm sure it'll be chain[bh]! Where are those spy photos???[PO]

[Herrdirektor]

Haven't seen any spy shots of the GS so far. The only spy thing popping up lately was a new HP2 Sport. Trying to turn an Enduro into a sports machine sounds and looks funny to me, but I guess there is a market for this too. :D


http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/BMW/2008_BMW_HP2_sport_3.jpg
http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/BMW/2008_BMW_HP2_Sport_1.jpg


http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/News/2008/2008_BMW.htm

[mr moto]

the latest info from BMW ,s press conference at the paris show has said that there will be FOUR, YES FOUR ! new models based on the F800 ,to be shown at the MILAN ,eicma show in italy in november . i know that we are all waiting on the GS, but what will the other three n ew models be like ? i cant wait :D

[Rob]

The 4 new models:

Updated R1200GS
F800GS
HP2 Sport
G450

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by Rob

The 4 new models:

Updated R1200GS =&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; :DLooking forward!:D
F800GS
HP2 Sport
G450

[mr moto]

my info is four new F800 engined models , the HP2 sport has just been revealed at the paris show BMW press conference today . so i think that leaves the F800GS and THE 800 ENGINED f650 replacement that was mentioned in nadeem,s earlier post . as for the other two , maybe the F800R performance model ? that still leaves another 800 engined model unaccounted for ? . yes there is also the new 450 bike and the new look 1200 boxer engined gs and adv , but according to BMW themselves at todays press conference where they showed of the new HP2 sport . there are four NEW 800 ! engined model,s to come in a few weeks at milan .

[Crinkly]

Is that info about 4 800-based models from a reliable source?

I ask because Nadeem's post confirms (in numbers) the 6 new models which matches the numbers quoted for 2008 by BMW for the NEC show

http://www.motorcycleshow.co.uk/mci2007/exhibitor_details.shtml?exhibitor_id=1835

Originally posted by Nadeem

Not sure if you chaps have heard about the latest info given to dealer principals at the beginning of this week at a meeting:

None of the mock up pics look anything like the 800.

F800GS
21 inch front wheel, upside down forks, 890mm seat height(870 low) 85bhp chain £6k plus

F650GS
detuned 800 engine 55bhp but still 790cc(why call it a 650?) lower seat height than above approx £5250

Face lifted 1200 and 1200 adv
105 bhp engine(R1200R) reqs 98ron fuel. Looks very very different to the existing 12s. It is said that if a new and old model where side by side you could tell them apart at 100m. 1200 colours orange, blue, silver. ADV colours beige!!! and met red. price increase of £100

GX450 off road bike 50bhp under 130kg fully fuelled £5500. Something special about swing arm /chain/clutch to keep the chain tight when going over jumps.

HP2 sport HP version of the 1200S


On t'other hand, if they don't class the face-lifted 1200's as new models, that does leave room for 2 more. I doubt it though - all that stuff to their dealers about telling them apart at 100m sounds like a desperate attempt at saying "they are new models - REAAALLLY - they ARE!!!!" + if they've got the new engine, surely they are new models!

Update: Still looking out for articles about conference (1400 - 1430 today) but nothing yet. Some nice piccies coming out though:

KTM interesting
http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/archive?openview&title=Exhibitions&type=cat&cat=Exhibitions

HP2 Sport is nice
http://www.motoblog.it/post/9922/nuova-bmw-hp2-sport

[mr moto]

i got the news from mike werners site http://news.motorbiker.org he was at the paris bike show today and at the press conference where bmw revealed the new HP2 sport he tell,s us that bmw said that there will be four new bikes based on the F800 coming in a few week,s . the milan show is about five weeks away from now . click on the above link and scroll down to bmw hp2 sport, paris mondial de deux roues 2007 and you will see it there . i will be at the show tomorrow and will ask the guys on the bmw stand about the new bikes myself .

[Crinkly]

Ah - see we've been looking in the same place. I missed the BMW bit 'cos I was looking via Bikes in the Fast Lane under Exhibitions & Mike had forgotten to tag that one.

Could be right then - or he might have been sent to sleep by the speech & was woken up by "4 new models" & "800" & just joined them up in his head.

We'll wait & see then.

BTW - enjoy the show!

[Der Lustenauer]

The full statement by the President of BMW Motorrad International at the Paris show can be found here:

http://totalmotorcycle.com/BBS/viewtopic.php?t=25161


Statement by Dr. Herbert Diess, President of BMW Motorrad, International Motorcycle Show "Mondial Du Deux Roues", Paris, 28 September 2007




Ladies and Gentlemen,
Great to see you all here today at our Press Conference in Paris!

Today we are focusing on three highlights in particular:
· First, our latest sales figures for the first eight months of the year.
· Then, we will be considering how BMW Motorrad will be continuing into the future and how we will meet the challenges to come.
· And last but certainly not least, we will of course be presenting our latest product.

Let me start with our current sales figures.
We gave ourselves ambitious objectives right from the start at the beginning of the year, planning to deliver more motorcycles to our customers in one year than ever before. This is indeed a demanding target, considering that in 2006, selling more than 100,000 motorcycles, we already broke a very significant barrier.
As of the end of August, we are certainly going in the right direction: Delivering more than 75,000 units to customers, we have already sold 5 per cent more motorcycles than in the same period last year. And we are confident that we will reach our target by the end of 2007.
We have already reached a particularly important milestone this year, with deliveries of the R 1200 GS since 2004 now amounting to more than 100,000 units. This makes our large touring enduro the most successful BMW motorcycle of all times.
Although these figures give us every reason to look optimistically into the future, we definitely realise that the market is difficult and challenging and will remain this way for the entire European motorcycle industry.
So how will BMW Motorrad master the future and remain profitable?
The answer is clear and straightforward: We will consistently continue the model initiative we launched in 2004!
Our message was clear right from the start, stating that we will only be able "to really appeal and reach additional customers through new, desirable products".
Having launched 17 new models since 2004, we have virtually renewed our entire model range within just three years. In the process we have focused in particular on the complete renewal of our core range such as the GS and RT Boxer models as well as the Tourer and Sports Tourer models within the K-Series.
We have also opened up new segments for BMW, successfully appealing to additional customer groups. Last year, for example, we introduced the midrange F800 S and ST. And we have developed a brand-new generation of single-cylinder motorcycles, the extra-light and agile G650 Series comprising three different models.
Today we are proud to make you acquainted with another new model following our presentations.
In just a few weeks' time, we will also be presenting a number of additional new models, which likewise makes us very proud.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
All this clearly shows that we are continuing our model initiative at BMW Motorrad at a fast pace.
To expand our growth potentials to further segments and, indeed, to pick up further momentum in the market, we have decided to pursue a two-brand strategy, acquiring Husqvarna Motorcycles in the process.
Offering the market the broad range of Husqvarna models, we are able to expand our own portfolio more quickly to younger groups of customers and cater for the entire range of Offroad and Supermoto models, penetrating these segments even faster than with our core brand alone. At the same time we are able to use Husqvarna's worldwide sales and distribution network in the offroad segment right from the start.
Husqvarna is one of the greatest motorcycle brands in the world with a fascinating tradition, a company which to this day has set up numerous world records and achieved great success in motorsport. Even in 2007 Husqvarna has been equally successful in racing, so far leading the 450-cc Supermoto World Championship class and coming right at the top in the open class. They have also been very successful this year in the Offroad World Championship, once again bringing home a number of great victories.
A further point is that the Husqvarna model range has been significantly updated for the 2008 model year: Their models have become a lot lighter and more slender, now featuring optimised ergonomics and fuel injection.
This raises Husqvarna's models to an even higher standard in the world of motorsport. And it explains why, in our opinion, Husqvarna still has the full potential for a leading offroad brand.
A fundamental point is that we are now able, with this second brand, to grow in segments in which we were not represented so far. Because to remain successful in the long term, we definitely need profitable growth.
A particular challenge we are facing as a European manufacturer is the exchange rate of the euro versus the Japanese yen: Since the year 2000 the yen has lost almost 70 per cent of it’s value against the euro.
This advantage of our Japanese competitors in terms of the exchange rate benefits them in two respects: First, they are able to take a very aggressive stand in the market thanks to their much lower cost base; second, they are able to optimise their profits, benefiting from their increasing margins in the market.
So what are we doing to remain competitive?
· First, we are naturally improving productivity at our plant in Berlin and with our suppliers.
· Second, we are expanding our purchasing activities the world over in order to set off in particular the shift in currencies.
· Third, we are focusing on our particular strengths, which set us clearly aside from the competition. These are the outstanding quality as well as the technical and emotional uniqueness of our products.

One example is the recent introduction of traction control for our Boxer- and K-Series models as a truly innovative feature offering a significant improvement of active safety on the road. Indeed, this gives us yet another unique sales proposition in the market right now.
Another example is the new two-cylinder power unit in our F-Series, offering the highest torque in its class together with minimum weight and fuel consumption. And I am happy to tell you that we will very soon be offering further models with this unique power unit.
Our HP models are outstanding examples of the further emotional enhancement of our brand. As you know, HP by Motorrad stands for uncompromising technology of the highest calibre for the particularly demanding rider.
Introducing the HP 2 Enduro, we presented the first Super Enduro in the world for offroad riding in 2006. In 2007 we added the HP 2 Megamoto, the lightest and most agile Boxer for winding country roads.
Today we are proud to make you acquainted with yet another model in the HP Series.
But first, allow me to sum up the points I have made so far:
In my statement I have made you acquainted with three major modules through which we plan to grow successfully and profitably in the market:
· First, the continuation of our model initiative.
· Second, our now even more aggressive product strategy focusing on two brands – BMW and Husqvarna.
· And, finally, our ongoing strategy versus the competition.

However, we naturally realise that today you rightly expect not only a report on our business activities and an outlook into the future of BMW Motorrad, but also a truly outstanding innovation in our model range.
And that is precisely what we have to offer you!
At the beginning of my presentation, I referred to our model initiative and our intention to offer a very special BMW in the sports segment. So today we are proud to present precisely a motorcycle of that calibre, a motorcycle which will definitely thrill the real aficionado of the BMW Boxer - the HP2 Sport!
This unique motorcycle offers the utmost in technology and riding qualities while reducing everything to the essential as a typical feature of BMW HP. We have in fact developed the HP2 Sport as a motorcycle for outstanding achievements not “just” on the race track, but also on the road.
Our Head of Development, Peter Müller, will now present all the highlights and details of our new product.
I personally thank you for your attention and wish you a great time at the Motorcycle Show here in Paris.
Au revoir!

[MD1]

Oh baby...that HP2 Sport is beautiful !!![:P] Now that I could move off the F800 for ..money permitting - and it's not :(

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by Nadeem

Not sure if you chaps have heard about the latest info given to dealer principals at the beginning of this week at a meeting:

None of the mock up pics look anything like the 800.

F800GS
21 inch front wheel, upside down forks, 890mm seat height(870 low) 85bhp chain £6k plus

F650GS
detuned 800 engine 55bhp but still 790cc(why call it a 650?) lower seat height than above approx £5250

Face lifted 1200 and 1200 adv
105 bhp engine(R1200R) reqs 98ron fuel. Looks very very different to the existing 12s. It is said that if a new and old model where side by side you could tell them apart at 100m. 1200 colours orange, blue, silver. ADV colours beige!!! and met red. price increase of £100

GX450 off road bike 50bhp under 130kg fully fuelled £5500. Something special about swing arm /chain/clutch to keep the chain tight when going over jumps.

HP2 sport HP version of the 1200S

It just hit me that BMW already had a test market for the Beige R1200GS Adv Nadeem has mentioned. It was the Dutch market ! In 2007 a special edition Heroes Legend was released for a whopping 22k+ Euro's. It may very well be that new versions will be based on this edition in a lighter configuration and provided with a minor facelift. :D
Here some pics to support it.


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[pushrod]

I'm getting bored of waiting for this GS. think i will be looking at this at the NEC, probably be a few thousand cheaper as well
http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/Images/2008-XT660Z-Tenere-static-04_prv_tcm26-208368.jpg
[hide]

[batamali]

Originally posted by Herrdirektor

In 2007 a special edition Heroes Legend was released for a whopping 22k+ Euro's.



OMG what do you get with it?
A kitchen and a housewife?

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by batamali

Originally posted by Herrdirektor

In 2007 a special edition Heroes Legend was released for a whopping 22k+ Euro's.



OMG what do you get with it?
A kitchen and a housewife?

I'm afraid not. I think BMW believes all Motorrad owners are successful anyway, since they ride their machines and are already equipped with housewife and at least one girlfriend on the side. So they do not bother with putting that on the options list.
Maybe they do provide a couple of leprechauns, each for every side case, to assist you during your travels. Least BMW can do. :D

I'm afraid there is not much to report so far. Last that I managed to pick up on a German forum, was a copy of a letter written by BMW Germany to a customer asking about changes for 2008. According to that letter the only change for 1200GSA's is service interval notification. Colors and design are supposed to remain the same. Other models were not addressed.

[macboxer]

Local BMW delear advised the following on the F800GS:

- It will have a belt drive
- It will have its show launch in November
- He already has a date set to ride the bike in February
- It will be tall - as in GS seat height tall.
- It will be more supermotardy than off road - although I took this as meaning it will be more street than off road.

[batamali]

Originally posted by Herrdirektor

Maybe they do provide a couple of leprechauns, each for every side case, to assist you during your travels. Least BMW can do. :D



Only if they are belt-driven

[Pancho]

QUOTE:
Local BMW dealer advised the following on the F800GS:

- It will have a belt drive

Do please! that's the only way I'll think of changing my ST!

[keithr]

Stopped off at my local BMW Stealer today

When asked about the F800 GS he advised me that the South African launch will take place in June/July 2008

But, , , , is it worth the wait [ahh]

[imacad]

Dropped by my dealer yesterday... very probably that the 800GS will be at the International Motorcycle Show Nov30-Dec2 in Seattle.

Can't wait to throw a leg over it!

[batamali]

Originally posted by macboxer

Local BMW delear advised the following on the F800GS:

- It will have a belt drive



Oh boy would I love to have a belt driven GS!!![clap][clap][clap]
Just it doesn't seem like it will be (BMW wise) [cry]

[haildamage]

Originally posted by macboxer

Local BMW delear advised the following on the F800GS:

- It will have a belt drive
- It will have its show launch in November
- He already has a date set to ride the bike in February
- It will be tall - as in GS seat height tall.
- It will be more supermotardy than off road - although I took this as meaning it will be more street than off road.




i hope he is wrong about the belt drive! as a previous poster said it will dillute the GS brand. the 'G' stands for 'Gelaende' which means off road. therefore, you should not call a belt driven bike a GS period! it should be called the F800SM or something else.

i realize that most boxer GS riders never actually took their bikes off the tarmac. i'm not going to get nasty and say these guys are posers who just wanted to look tough, although some would. the GS has been popular because of the comfortable riding position, etc and i think that is great!

however, the shaft driven GS bikes could be taken off the tarmac without fear of messing up the drive system (let's not get into the final drive failures now). i would not want to risk taking a belt driven bike on fireroads.

BMW, please do not stick us with a Ungelaende GS!

[earthroamer]

Originally posted by haildamage

BMW, please do not stick us with a Ungelaende GS!


I think this is the big question about the F800GS, is it going to be a real adventure/touring bike that can compete with, say the KTM 990 Adv, the kind of bike that people will do RTW with, or will it be poser, a bike that with just GS looks? A belt drive would certainly condemn it to the later.

I would like to see a F800 Super Moto version, though. F800GS ergos but 17" wheels and belt drive. I think that those who are hoping for belt drive would be happy that.

[Crinkly]

MacBoxer is talking dangly bits / shovel / poo

I'm not even a F800 owner but I follow the rumours / news 'cos I have strong desires to be one (if the basics are, to my satisfaction, sorted - BMUU, my money awaits!).

The GS will be chain driven & I'll bet £5 to anyone that is daft enough to take the challenge.

[Der Lustenauer]

If there is really a new F650GS with an 800cc motor and a F800GS I would be daft enough to bet 10 Euros on the F650GS having a chain and the F800GS having a belt.

[haildamage]

Originally posted by Crinkly

MacBoxer is talking dangly bits / shovel / poo

I'm not even a F800 owner but I follow the rumours / news 'cos I have strong desires to be one (if the basics are, to my satisfaction, sorted - BMUU, my money awaits!).

The GS will be chain driven & I'll bet £5 to anyone that is daft enough to take the challenge.


i think that most of the people posting on this forum are better informed than most dealers at this point. maybe macboxer's dealer was just telling him what he wanted to hear regarding the belt drive as many salesman tend to do.

as i said before, a GS can not have a belt drive period. if it did it would need to carry a strong warning that it is not intended for off road, fire road, gravel road, etc, use. of course that would be ridiculous for a 'GS' bike since a GS bike is by definition off road capable - G = 'Gelaende' = off road, green lane. if BMW does produce a GS with a belt without some revolutionary belt protection, it would be a total sellout of the GS brand and that would be truly sad and short sighted IMO!

now i realize that this BBS is mostly composed of street riders and you guys don't want a 'messy' chain. belt drives are indeed superior to chains for street riding. i'd probably get more sympathy on advrider but i prefer a more bike specific BBS like this wonderful site!

to sum up. logically the new GS can not have a belt drive unless there is some special belt protection without completely selling out the 'GS' brand.

[Der Lustenauer]

A chain (or shaft) driven F800GS with a wet weight of 200 kg would probably take a lot of sales away from there bestseller, the 1200GS, cheaper lighter etc.
Why not wait a bit with that and make do for now with a really nice HP like supermotard with the 800 motor and a belt, and a chain driven F650GS with 2 cylinders for the occasional dirt rider and adventurer?

More rumors:

According to a German forum the BMW dealers have now got datasheets of the new models (no photos yet).

http://www.gs-forum.eu/showthread.php?t=12997&page=9

F650GS, 2 zyl (cc not mentioned), 70hp, 75nm, seat height 820mm
F850GS (the additional 50cc might be a spelling mistake), 85hp, 85nm, seat height 870mm.

[Der Lustenauer]

Reading the last few posts I just felt it necessary to add that I would not consider a belt driven GS, I have recently bought the Rally 2 suit at great expense and can not be seen on anything other than a chain or shaft driven Beemer. I think I can get away with my Metzeler Tourance tires most times, what do you think? Or do I really need those TCK’s they use in those Off Road Skills Courses? Quite liked them there, but…….riding them all the time? 95 percent on tarmac? Rather have a second bike. Or put them on if I go around the world, but, fat chance there for now.
Recon, I am the hard core poser, tough to the bone, no belt for me! And fuck ABS! Never! Basta!!

[haildamage]

Originally posted by Der Lustenauer

Reading the last few posts I just felt it necessary to add that I would not consider a belt driven GS, I have recently bought the Rally 2 suit at great expense and can not be seen on anything other than a chain or shaft driven Beemer. I think I can get away with my Metzeler Tourance tires most times, what do you think? Or do I really need those TCK’s they use in those Off Road Skills Courses? Quite liked them there, but…….riding them all the time? 95 percent on tarmac? Rather have a second bike. Or put them on if I go around the world, but, fat chance there for now.
Recon, I am the hard core poser, tough to the bone, no belt for me! And fuck ABS! Never! Basta!!


i would not recommend tourance tires for offroad as they would be dangerous, IMO. you could use them but you are much more likely to crash due to a lack of traction off the tarmac. basically, the more aggressive knobbies are safer offroad because they bite into the surface and you don't slide around as much. however, they tend to be less safe on the street as there is less rubber making contact, etc. knobbies also tend to have a miserable lifespan on the street! therefore, i agree that it is best to have a streetbike and an offroad bike! :D i can also add that one of my riding buddies put some metzler knobbies on his 1200GS and they were completely worn out after around 500km of dirt and street. in addition, they were certainly not cheap!

as for a F800GS taking away sales from the 1200GS, it might take some away but BMW is still getting the sale. and they could steal market share from KTM, etc. i don't really think it would steal too much from the 1200GS market. the 1200 is a completely different bike. plenty of people will still demand that beautiful, modern boxer grunt, and feel which only comes from that awesome r1200gs boxer engine!

[Der Lustenauer]

Thank you for your advice, I am living in the center of Europe, ride a bike and want to look cool. How do I get that message across to the people? I think the TKC’s look so much better on the bike than the Tourances (they kind of give the iron butt traveller and off road feeling, don’t they), but with them, I definitely need ABS on the road, wanted it in 2000 with my F650GS but have been told I would have to wait 8 month for the bike with ABS. That was in London, to the time (2000), BMW England did not see a demand in F650GS bikes with ABS, they did not order enough, so, instead of waiting I got the non ABS one. Been happy since, chain and no ABS. A real bike.
But, to look even cooler on a bike, I probably could use the TKC’s and get the ABS (switchable, of course). Would never work with a belt (looking cool I mean). I also should get the traction control, as mentioned here
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121921&page=3
should I? Why is it offered for the 1200 only? Would help me, would it? With them tires I probably need it? Always been an adventurer, all my live, really, but want to make sure I stay on the safe side, and get the right bike with the right accessories. Or would that be going to far, all these gizmos, just for looking good? What about going back to basics? Would I be better off with a simple classic road bike? Which one? Drives me crazy! All this wait for that lovely Rotax motor in a GS guise. Hopefully it will be right for a poser like me.

[Flopp]

I wonder if, with the rash of final drive failures in the past year, BMW might be looking more seriously at belts. I guess it all depends on how the long term test that all F800 riders are involved in pans out.

[Pancho]

I guess it's all about taste and preference, like other previous mentioned items (mirrors, controls, colors, abs, etc). As former MX and enduro rider/racer, I think I had my time off "dirt", so if I may look to own a GS it will be only to have the possibility of riding some of the many gravel roads (not fire paths or cross country) we have here. And to achieve that (occasionally) a think a belt driven GS would do. Or a shaft driven GS (why not the R12GS). And I guess this is the most common use of this bikes, and so that's why they are designed this way. And that's why the GS or other "trail" bikes are each year less "trail" bikes (take a look at the new Triumph Tiger or the new KLE 650 versys that replaced the KLE500). At least for me buying the ST was a economical effort, so I won't be wanting to have a $16500 dollars bike to fool around on dirt, knowing that a small crash (which all who ride "off road" are exposed) will cost me hundreds and why not thousands of dollars on spare parts and workshop. I guess if I really have the need of that kind of riding I'd get back on a CR/YZ/KX/RM/EXC etc. If I have to go really off road, I'd do it on a 140kg bike and not on a 200+ kg!

[batamali]

Very interesting discussion indeed,

I have to say Haildamage you're completely right BUT...

I'm not attracted to GS title, but to (I'm quoting myself)

- upright position
- more ground clearance
- "GS" looks of the bike (poser [doh]) and "GS" feeling on the bike
- the size of the bike - I'm 188 cm and 105 kg and look a bit stupid on F800
- more all-round bike - whatever it means

So it doesn't have to BE a real GS but to have all of this stuff and to be cheaper than R1200GS - it's too expensive for me. Of course, belt driven. OK you might call me a hypocrite but I am what I am...

RE supermotard, it's too naked for my taste.

A girlie GS with a belt for me, please!

[earthroamer]

Originally posted by batamali


RE supermotard, it's too naked for my taste.

A girlie GS with a belt for me, please!



Supermotard more naked than a GS? Hmmmmmmmm.

Well, I guess while we're all waiting around to see what Bavaria gives us, we can still talk on and on about what we want. I don't know why I spend so much time looking at this. I figure I will be getting another 4-5 years out of my F650GS before I even start to think about a replacement.

[batamali]

Naked in a sense of not having gadgets, not regarding the fairings.

But I agree with you, there is no real purpose of visiting this thread in particular besides increasing that warm feeling of GS coming soon [clap][clap][clap]

[haildamage]

let me sum up. there are basically 4 possibilities for the drive system on the new GS. due to the meaning of the 'G' in GS.

1. chain

2. revolutionary bulletproof belt protector on a belt drive

3. shaft drive (unlikely)

4. non bulletproof belt protected belt drive which requires a warning 'not for offroad use'. this would be a complete sellout of the 'GS' brand!:(

[Yellow_S]

Hello all,

From what I have heard from people in the BMW compony, and people close to it. The F800GS will be unvealed very soon. As as for looks, think of the R1200GS Adv. with an F800 engine.

[amado]

A word from my Dealer:

"I'll be going to Milan in the next 8th of November and i'm expecting to see F800GS.
When I arrive, i'll send you the photos. I promise.

Either way, the bike will only be selling in 2008, probably in March and the price should be around 10k euros.
"

So, reading this... my desire rises....!!! [ride][clap]

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by Yellow_S

Hello all,

As as for looks, think of the R1200GS Adv. with an F800 engine.





But without the boobs sticking out sideways ! [:P]

[Rob]

The latest mock up:

Attached Image:
http://F800Riders.org/forum_old/UPLOADED/Rob/20071024222832_F800GS_1.jpg
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[earthroamer]

Originally posted by Rob

The latest mock up:

Attached Image:
http://F800Riders.org/forum_old/UPLOADED/Rob/20071024222832_F800GS_1.jpg
128.28*KB


I think that is the naked version. This is the GS..
http://fixinbones.smugmug.com/photos/211754768-X2.jpg

[Crinkly]

Please guys, do we really need any more photoshops? - Only gotta wait 'till 8/11

I'm just hoping the GS will retain all the benefits of the rest of the range, have the 'right' size wheels (purely selfish of course) to take 'proper' tyres, but still have switchable ABS (keeping to the GS tradition).

The perfect bike may be just around the corner?

[earthroamer]

Originally posted by Crinkly

Please guys, do we really need any more photoshops? - Only gotta wait 'till 8/11



Nothin else to do.

[Herrdirektor]

Okidoki, let us leave the photoshops for what they are.
Here's an interesting link with no piccies. If you dear to read it, you are in for a treat.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279265

[Crinkly]

Well we all know it's a joke but



ARE YOU LISTENING BMW?

[Rob]

Originally posted by Crinkly


ARE YOU LISTENING BMW?

If you had a look at where some of our visitor IP addresses resolve to via RDNS, you would think that they are.

That said, the F800GS has to be in the bag by now. The only thing left to do is finish up some last-minute rough edges, and setup for presentation.

[Crinkly]

Link disnae work no more - think the thread has been assimilated.

For those that haven't read the wishful consumer view of what the bike COULD offer:


[EDITED BY ROB]
The Following contains a 'it would be great if...' list compiled by a member of the Adventure Rider Forum. It's is *not* official in any way, and should not be treated as such. Please *do not* go posting this around as 'could be' or 'should be' or 'is' - and please don't go telling people that it came from an 'engineering buddy at BMW' like some of the other threads. It didn't, and it never did.




OPTIONS...

1.) The basic 800GS:
Very closely related to the current 650GS by way of suspension travel and range per tank. (~200miles).
The 90/10 ratio applies...Much better suited for the packed stuff out of the box, but handles the pavement like its big brother the 1200, solid...This version will go down in history as a great wannabe rally god looking bike -in commuter covering. Due in part to it’s having a seat that is actually designed by someone who cares about everyone's bottom end, yes gone will be the need to ply the “jewels” from the Faux tank!! Fuel consumption is down a little from the 650 to average out to ~58 MPG...better or worse dependent upon the user! BHP is around 72. Elec power output is up, never an issue running heated clothing, GPS, and add on lights. etc...
Stripped this would fall in the $8800.00 range.
Option package (heated grips/ABS/power outlet/center stand) $9300.00
Many colors available. More Hi Visibility colors come into use.

2.) The 800GS Dakar:
Adds another 2” of suspension and another 1.5 gal of fuel. Yes, a little more fuel...
Gone are the days of waving flags spewed across the tank...Some other conservative scheme is applied to ID the Dakar version other than by its height. Standard is a real Dakar windscreen, paw protectors, better pegs and engine guards...~$9500.00. Optioned out as mentioned above, add another $500. A cool $10,000.00 will get you a set of keys. One color scheme only.

3.) The HP800GS:
An all out monster. Lightened by bits and pieces that are forged. Compression is up, power output is up to 80 BHP and gearing is matched for the apparent usage. Suspension is better than the G650, -much better. Fully adjustable in every sense. No extras. No options. A true Enduro/ almost MX bike that will go anywhere at great velocities. Has the smaller fuel tank of the standard GS (for weight reduction). Paw protection, pegs, bar, risers, tires, chain guard...All the goodies you’d want for off road performance and thats all you’ll find on this version.
Knowing “someone” will complain about the range, getting the larger tank is something that must be done on ones own. You’ll need to order the Dakar tank and seat combo, and install yourself.
NOTE: The HP version seat will be designed by someone who stands on the pegs 90% of the time and could care less about a comfortable seat...You’ve been warned.
The suspension upgrade on this model alone drives the price up $2000.00. So no, you will not need to go and get a “better aftermarket suspension later”...This set up is awesome and can be sent back for rebuilds ----done (at) any BMW dealership around the world.
Add the “less costs more” theory- (for reference search LTW M3 to see the differences less makes in $$) and you will shell out in the neighborhood of $14500.00...
The Dakar tank and seat combo (if ordered with the bike) will run ~$750.00. Ordered separately, expect to pay almost $1100.00

4.) To pay respect and give some homage to the original...

Enter the Limited Edition.

800GSPD:

Paint scheme matched to the original 80 GSPD.
Huge tank. Yes a huge tank capable of letting you run well over 300 miles between gas and pee breaks.
Suspension of the Dakar model, but has more adjustability. Some bits and pieces of the HP show up on this model, helping to keep the weight down and performance up.
Elec power can run a set of lights so hot they’ll melt the corneas out of passing motorists at 50 yards. Plus handle anything you plug in, be it jump starting stranded 18 wheelers and RVs - and what not...
Lower compression ratio so as to have the ability to run ANY nasty fuel you happen to find and it still runs great. Gearing is suited more for a 50/50 planned usage. Tubeless wire tires...with a 21” on the front. .
All options of the Dakar plus center stand, heated grips, and a very easy to get to (but not accidentally) ON/OFF ABS switch. Plus this model comes standard with HID.
Price is the SAME as the HP, $14,500.00


[EDITED BY ROB]
The preceding contained a 'it would be great if...' list compiled by a member of the Adventure Rider Forum. It's is *not* official in any way, and should not be treated as such. Please *do not* go posting this around as 'could be' or 'should be' or 'is' - and please don't go telling people that it came from an 'engineering buddy at BMW' like some of the other threads. It didn't, and it never did.

[Pancho]

Crinkly, all that with chains or belt??????????????????????????????

[Crinkly]

5) Customers may specify chain or belt drive at time of order as a 'no cost' option [clap]

Reconditioned shaft-drive systems from 'broken' 1200's may be added for the additional cost of GB 37 pence.

[batamali]

Originally posted by haildamage

4. non bulletproof belt protected belt drive which requires a warning 'not for offroad use'. this would be a complete sellout of the 'GS' brand!:(




OK,
don't get mad. I'm a customer and want a belt. Don't care if that makes a G in GS to change from "Gelaende" to "Girly"...
Just give us a belt please.

Peace.

[haildamage]

Originally posted by batamali

Originally posted by haildamage

4. non bulletproof belt protected belt drive which requires a warning 'not for offroad use'. this would be a complete sellout of the 'GS' brand!:(




OK,
don't get mad. I'm a customer and want a belt. Don't care if that makes a G in GS to change from "Gelaende" to "Girly"...


Just give us a belt please.

Peace.


[lol]

i think you'll be disappointed!

[imacad]

Originally posted by haildamage

Originally posted by batamali

Originally posted by haildamage

4. non bulletproof belt protected belt drive which requires a warning 'not for offroad use'. this would be a complete sellout of the 'GS' brand!:(




OK,
don't get mad. I'm a customer and want a belt. Don't care if that makes a G in GS to change from "Gelaende" to "Girly"...


Just give us a belt please.

Peace.


[lol]

i think you'll be disappointed!


The GM @ my dealership has seen photos of the bike. Belt wishers will be disappointed, as it is chain drive.

[batamali]

Originally posted by imacad
The GM @ my dealership has seen photos of the bike. Belt wishers will be disappointed, as it is chain drive.


[cry][cry][cry]

Any more info on that photos???

[Herrdirektor]

A member on a different forum claims to have a press infopack with pics for next week.
Trying to get the pics posted by this guy asap.

This is his roundup of the real stuff coming out:
F 800 GS
F 650 GS same engine as the F800 twin with less power.
R 1200 GS with 105 bhp, better gearbox, other colors
R 1200 GS Adv same specs as for the new R12GS and a magma red color added
GS 450 X, small cross bike as the G 650 X.

[Herrdirektor]

As promised, finally some non-photoshopped material for next week's EICMA in Milan.
:D

http://www.breemernet.nl/Files/BMWR1200GS2007.jpg

[Herrdirektor]

http://www.breemernet.nl/Files/BMWF800GS2007.jpg
The F800 Above
The GSA under
http://www.breemernet.nl/Files/BMWR1200GSADV2007.jpg

[TONYMORR]

Thanks Herrdirektor.

I was thinking I was going to wait till 2009 to get one because of the cost but man O man do I like that. If the price is $10-$11 I might just have to head down to Mr BMW dealer plunk down a deposit.

Tony

[mr moto]

i know it may well turn out to be a great bike but , could BMW have made it look any duller ? i will wait until i see it in the flesh and wait for the first road tests and reviews before i make my decision on whether or not this is my next bike . and the frame look,s interesting, i wonder what the bikes weight is like ? .

[Joyseeker]

I think that is the naked version. This is the GS..
http://fixinbones.smugmug.com/photos/211754768-X2.jpg


under seat exhaust at last!!!!! [booze]

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by TONYMORR

Thanks Herrdirektor.

I was thinking I was going to wait till 2009 to get one because of the cost but man O man do I like that. If the price is $10-$11 I might just have to head down to Mr BMW dealer plunk down a deposit.

Tony


Welcome ! And yes, the BMW's are pricey pigs. :D

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by Joyseeker

I think that is the naked version. This is the GS..
http://fixinbones.smugmug.com/photos/211754768-X2.jpg


under seat exhaust at last!!!!! [booze]


Not really, nice sketch you have there. :D
http://www.breemernet.nl/Files/BMWF800GS2007.jpg

[de100kb]

You just beat me HerrD! Now lets find out where it comes from!

If it's the real one the front spring looks like a nice alternative for all F800's :)

[Rob]

http://www.bmwgsclub.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21901&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Looks official!

[TONYMORR]

Originally posted by Rob

http://www.bmwgsclub.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21901&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Looks official!


Does it? Can you summerize what's going on in that thread for us? I see some smiley faces, that seems like a positive sign[ahh]

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by de100kb

You just beat me HerrD! Now lets find out where it comes from!

If it's the real one the front spring looks like a nice alternative for all F800's :)


Was not my goal here. I was monitoring a new thread on the gs club site, where this Arnold guy appeared out of nowhere (first post) and bluntly announced he had specs and pics from a press release. Heard this so many times that I didn't believe it at first, until he started uploading the stuff. Never expected such a leak before the EICMA. So our thanks are going to Arnold on the following link: :Dhttp://www.bmwgsclub.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21901&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

This is his roundup of the real stuff coming out:
F 800 GS
F 650 GS same engine as the F800 twin with less power.
R 1200 GS with 105 bhp, better gearbox, other colors
R 1200 GS Adv same specs as for the new R12GS and a magma red color added
GS 450 X, small cross bike as the G 650 X.

[Herrdirektor]

Didn't post this one yet, the new F650GS. Something for (some) ladies ? :D
http://www.breemernet.nl/Files/BMWF650GS2007.jpg

[Pancho]

It seem that the F650GS would be a cheap version of the F800GS...

[Pancho]

I've been seeing the pictures of the new F800GS, F650GS, R1200GS and R1200GS Adv. and I sow some similar aspects on the F650GS and the R1200GS: more asphalt looks, therefore, it's a shame the F650GS isn't belt driven (at least to me). Leaving the F800GS and the R1200GS Adv. (seems to have more ground clearance, and spoke wheels) to more off road use, having there good use of the chain drive.... some thoughts I wanted to share.

[Pancho]

is it me or I can't find the rear sprocket and chain on both new GS? If you look carefully at the rear wheel, you see the chain disappearing behind the disc, but then you don't see it coming out or even see the sprocket?????????? mmmhhh
Also if you look at the engine, the GS engine is different to the S/ST, is less leaned forward, and the clutch cover is different.

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by Pancho

It seem that the F650GS would be a cheap version of the F800GS...

Guess so, although the engine is supposed to be the same twin, it will have less horsies than the F800 range.

[amado]

What about the F800GS Dakar, GSP and HP ?

Any clues or photos?

The photo u showed here for F800GS, does it have a belt? What about the beautiful swing arm?

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by amado

What about the F800GS Dakar, GSP and HP ?

Any clues or photos?

The photo u showed here for F800GS, does it have a belt? What about the beautiful swing arm?

This is all what I found Amado. I'm pretty sure other version will pop up. Perhaps the press conference of BMW at EICMA Milan on 6th Nov at 13:30 will reveal all versions to come. :D

[amado]

I known... i'm rushing.

First of all, thanks for the photos. Great photos. :D

I was just trying to understand if the upcoming versions (Dakar, GSP or HP) would me more close to the R1200GS. [bow]

[earthroamer]

Originally posted by Pancho

is it me or I can't find the rear sprocket and chain on both new GS? If you look carefully at the rear wheel, you see the chain disappearing behind the disc, but then you don't see it coming out or even see the sprocket?????????? mmmhhh
Also if you look at the engine, the GS engine is different to the S/ST, is less leaned forward, and the clutch cover is different.


Right-side drive, left-side brake, just like the (old) F650GS.

You bring up something, though, sure would like to see a right-side photo.

[Geir]

The 800GS looks nice but with a seat height of 890 mm,out of the question for me
The 650 looks like a stetched banana,[eek2]sorry Munchen I will keep my 800St.[thumb]
Geir

[Pancho]

I think the seat is more enduro style than I would like, seems to be like a KTM 690 direct competition, and not so comfortable as the F650GS or R1200GS. As it looks, I'll have to agree with Geir, no F800GS to me at the moment. I think it's a real good option for those who were expecting a more off road bike:
-High seat
-narrow seat to be comfortable when riding standing up
-up side down fork
-chain
-seems to be 21 inch front wheel
-spokes wheels

Nothing of that is was I was looking for, and the new "650" should have this to like me:
-seat as the actual F650 or my 800ST
-belt drive
-two front disks
-no less power or less engine displacement.

So again, I'll keep my ST or move to a R1200GS if a really need to go on gravel roads...and don't need it that much.

[batamali]

First of all, Herr would you please send me your photo so I can put it on the wall of my living room? [bow] You rule man thanks for the photos!!!

Secondly, I don't really like it. Resemblance to Yamaha XT [cry]
(I promise I will never ever again ask for a girlie GS [xx(][xx(][xx(])
I could live with a chain, but the swing arm??? Oh, ah, uh...
Overall looks of the bike, well, I'll just say no way near the 1200GSA...

So Herr, I'm attracted to the dark side [}:)]

BR
Batamali

[Balck Flag Rider]

Thanks but no thanks. Looks to me more like KTM killer than real GS. Even some earlier photoshops looked better. I can't imagine myself riding it 2-up + panniers & tankbag. The seat looks ugly and uncomfortabe.

Maybe the target user group is the younger audience, not us wealthy 'silver foxes' over 50 seeking the younghood...

My next bike will be still BMW, not brand new 800 GS but 1-2 years old 1200 GS, hopefully I find a one fully equipped and low milege.

BF

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by batamali

First of all, Herr would you please send me your photo so I can put it on the wall of my living room? [bow] You rule man thanks for the photos!!!


So Herr, I'm attracted to the dark side [}:)]

BR
Batamali


Goooood ! A powerful GSer you will turn out to be ! [ride][thumb]

Just to make sure you will turn, here is another nice vid/review from motorcycleusa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9onK9LN5P8

I will PM you a pic of mine, so you can use it as focusing point for your evening prayers. [lol]

[Rob]

Let's keep this thread on topic. No R1200GS crap please. [lol2]

[Herrdirektor]

Originally posted by Rob

Let's keep this thread on topic. No R1200GS crap please. [lol2]


:D I know, I know, I'm pushing it now.... So how about a tiny, little GS Discussion Forum or even better a General GS Forum where future owners of 650GS/800GS/1200GS bikes can do their thing ? Well, you are probably careful of competition with the mega-large advrider forum [eek]
[lurk]

[Herrdirektor]

Confirmed by MCN.
So I guess the pics posted Nov 1st are surely no fakes:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/November/november1-4/nov0207new2008bmwsrevealedf800gsr1200gsaf650gsr120 0gs/

:D

[mr moto]

you can always trust MCN to come out with another world exclusive , about a month after we have seen it all over the net [ahh]:D

[Herrdirektor]

Yes, let us not wait for MCN. :D
Here is a photoshopped version of a not yet introduced bike. How much further can you go ?!
[lol]
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5628/bmwf800gs2007geelpr3.jpg

[Geir]

Hi
Now ,that we have seen the bikes any other information (spec) ?would like to see the full spesification and what about the BMW luggage for the 800\650GS.
I think the 650 is tuned down by way of engine managment,how difficult to upgrade to full power?
Possible to change the frontforks around?
Geir

[Herrdirektor]

http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/HFoto/102419FotoGrande/$File/19.jpg
http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/0/2B5B12F2DD161D4FC125738700622A6B/$file/32.jpg
http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/0/0D2485921DE5DD0BC125738700622998/$file/31.jpg
http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/0/E20C4B6D9C15CFAEC1257387006228BB/$file/30.jpg
http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/0/B846959C61C0EAD7C1257387006226D7/$file/28.jpg
http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/0/16E719F7C1EDF451C125738700622455/$file/25.jpg
http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/0/71B6567C61D3ECFEC125738700622285/$file/23.jpg
http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/0/FE6DC7E5001B0631C125738700621DFA/$file/18.jpg

[Jason C]

Thats better, It looks better in these close up photos.

[fitz irl]

Now thats much better looking, yellow as well.
Now all I have to do is find out if a little fellow (176cm)like me can fit on it, and we might interested.

[Herrdirektor]

Find all the pics you shall:
:D
http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/notizie.nsf/NewsPub/50A64B2915C5374FC1257387004F8386?OpenDocument

[Bookum]

HOT DAMN! SOLD!!!! A motorcycle company listened to their market! Amazing! Yellow one please!

[Geir]

Hi
Looking closely at the picture from the italien site,it seems that they already have a low seat option on the 800GS,have a look at the yellow one with luggage cases on and compare to other in the same slide show,it is definitely a different saddle.
Geir

[amado]

Hey guys.

Anyone with skills in Photoshop to try some new colors on our new beast?

Perhaps the Red, Blue and Black of the 1200GS ?

Can't wait to see the result.

[fitz irl]

Besides a low seat it also shows three different screens.

The only problem is how low is low.

[Rob]

Looks to be 850mm and 820mm.

[mr moto]

Originally posted by amado

Hey guys.

Anyone with skills in Photoshop to try some new colors on our new beast?

Perhaps the Red, Blue and Black of the 1200GS ?

Can't wait to see the result.

i found this ,over on the chain gang site .

Attached Image:
http://F800Riders.org/forum_old/UPLOADED/mr moto/2007113164110_83423cfb.jpg
32.01KB

[doctor_john]

Please excuse my feathered edges... i don't have much time...[ahh]

http://media4.dropshots.com/photos/89382/20071104/175222.jpg

http://media5.dropshots.com/photos/89382/20071104/175316.jpg

http://media4.dropshots.com/photos/89382/20071104/175708.jpg

http://media5.dropshots.com/photos/89382/20071104/175637.jpg

I will add a white one but i haven't such an amount of time, i 'm sorry...
Also at black one, you must imagine silver or white stickers... ;)


Enjoy riding everybody!

[8D]

[Herrdirektor]

Nice paint job, John !:D
Not bad for a first post of a new member. Welcome to the club.

[amado]

doctor_john,

great job

I wanna order one in Red. :D

[ray_rev]

Haven't posted here in months, but I'm so glad BM finally released this bike. I would have my money down now if I hadn't gone for a 650GS and Super Blackbird combo to meet my biking needs.

Maybe in a year or two..[booze]

Ray

[batamali]

http://www.motociclismo.it/edisport/moto/gallery.nsf/HFoto/102427FotoGrande/$File/27.jpg

I don't understand how a pillion can sit between these cases?
I looked at it from different angles and still... looks like they're positioned too high .

BR
Batamali

[Geir]

Batamali
Dont you get it,the cases is high so that you can fit a 2"\4" to let you fit your favorite chair :D

Agree with you,look at the footpegs it is made for midget

[batamali]

Issue no.2

The front hugger, same picture, looks like a piece of c**p. Empty plastic cover. [}:)]

It's obvious I don't like it at all [lol]

For the ones that like it, best wishes!

BR
Batamali

[Donkes]

I'll take one of each color - yellow does look great!

[doctor_john]

Thanx for your welcoming guys!

I really enjoy customising european motorcycles for almost 10years know...

Since i'm living as a graphic arts designer, i need to study design & communication continuously... so im afraid that it will be hard to enjoy the community everyday...

As concern our newcoming pride, i am excited as the most of us here! [clap]

We use to talk for a medium range engine that will not lack of the feeling of our beloved boxers(massive and beasty).
The new F GS, came to fill the gap for those that wanted an almost economic andventure motorcycle that can do trail riding worldwide!

I also thing that the frame designed by HPN so... another legend was borned!

Feel free to use my email for customising (welding, painting etc ) thoughts... i really relaxing messing design, safety and character! ;)

Now, if you excuse me, i must work to make $$ for my boxer! [ride]

[8D]

[mr moto]

here is a link to some pic,s from the official launch at the MILAN show .
http://blogs.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/eicma-2007-bmw.htm#dxcontinue

[FBJ800]

Here are the specs and pricing for the F800GS straight from the horse's mouth. As always with BMW this is all subject to change. Looks like there will be another bike in my stable! [ride]


• In the Dealer Showroom: March 2008
• Compact, lightweight concept
• New chassis with steel tube trellis frame and double sided swingarm
• Powerful, tune for torque parallel twin (798cc with 85hp and 83 lb/ft of torque)
• Dry sump lubrication
• Dual sport specific running gear
• Lowered seat height due to narrow design and varying seat heights
• Switchable ABS
• Chain drive
• Telescopic USD 45mm fork
• Wide range of accessories for both off road and touring use

Specifications F 800 GS

Engine
Capacity cm3 798
Bore/lift mm 82/75,6
Power kW/HP 63/85
at engine speed min-1 7 500
Torque Nm 83
at engine speed min-1 5 750
No. of cylinders 2
Compression/fuel :1 12.0/Super unleaded (95 RON)
Valve/gas control dohc (double overhead camshaft)
Valves per cylinder 4
Diam. inlet/outlet mm 32/27,5
Throttle valve diameter mm 46
Mixture preparation

Electrical system
Generator W 400
Battery V/Ah 14-Dec
Headlights/rear light W
Starter kW 0.9

Power transmission/gears
Clutch
Gears
Primary transmission 01:01.9
Transmission, gear stages I 01:02.5
II 01:01.8
III 01:01.4
IV 01:01.2
V 01:01.0
VI 01:01.0
Rear wheel drive
Transmission ratio 1:2.625 (16/42)

Chassis
Frame design
Wheel suspension, front wheel Upside-down telescopic fork,
fixed tube Ø 45 mm
Wheel suspension, rear wheel
Spring travel front/rear mm 230/215
Castor mm 117
Wheel spacing mm 1578
Steering head angle ° 64
Brakes front Double-disc brake Ø 300 mm
rear Single-disc brake Ø 265 mm
Wheels Spoked wheels with aluminium rims
front 2.15x21
rear 4.25x17
Tyres front 90/90-21 54 V
rear 150/70-R17 69 V

Dimensions and weights
Total length mm 2 320
Total width with mirrors mm
Total width without mirrors mm 870
Seat height inches 33.5-34.6
Dry weight lbs 392
DIN tare, ready to drive lbs 455
Perm. total weight lbs 975
Tank capacity gallons 4.2
Travel data
Fuel consumption (MPG) At 56 mph 62 mpg
At 74 mph 45 mpg

MSRP $10,520

Standard Equipment / 100% Options
Closed loop 3 way catalytic converter with oxygen sensor
Chain drive
Complete stainless steel exhaust system
Hydraulic rear spring preload adjuster
Spoked wheels
Electronic immobilizer
Single wire system (Can-Bus)
Power Socket
Adjustable brake and clutch levers

Available Equipment
Comfort Package $475
ABS $890
Clear Turn Signal Lenses $60
Anti Theft Alarm $235
Center Stand $150
Low Seat $0

Available Colors
Dark Magnesium Metallic
Sunset Yellow

[Herrdirektor]

Looks tasty ! (And the bike too)
:D

http://www.bmwmoa.org/features/milan07/medium/800GS7.jpg

[NorCalDave]

Ben

Where did you find the above specs for the 800GS? Can you post a link to the info or site?

Thanks - Dave

[mr moto]

Originally posted by NorCalDave

Ben

Where did you find the above specs for the 800GS? Can you post a link to the info or site?

Thanks - Dave

all the technical info can be found on the BMW international site here . http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/index.html?content=http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/individual/news/index.html&id=132

[mr moto]

and now for some video of the new F800GS .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZFDJ9fjWmc

[FBJ800]

Originally posted by NorCalDave

Ben

Where did you find the above specs for the 800GS? Can you post a link to the info or site?

Thanks - Dave



I was sent an email by my rep early this morning. It should be on BMW's corporate site by the end of the day or earlier.

[mr moto]

and now some video of the F800GS in action .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCeC2K_fBUg

[NorCalDave]

Thanks, Ben!

[NorCalDave]

Originally posted by mr moto

and now some video of the F800GS in action . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCeC2K_fBUg


Thanks, Mr Moto - I'll be using that video a lot as inspiration to save up my sheckels towards my 800GS!

[Crinkly]

Originally posted by mr moto

here is a link to some pic,s from the official launch at the MILAN show .
http://blogs.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/eicma-2007-bmw.htm#dxcontinue



Looks like Mike Werner had a bad day - lots of complaints about boring presentations & being unable to get good photos but there's really no excuse for displaying a picture of a boxer twin and calling it the F800GS.

As for the real stuff on the BMW site, I'm amazed to see that the '650' with its lower bhp (& presumably more torque & better mid-range) is clearly the street version whilst the higher powered 800 is the 'adventure' version.

Personally, I'd like to ride them both back to back but, on 1st impressions, the '650' would be the bike for me, with its alloy wheels & road tyres (provided the drop to 71bhp is rewarded with more mid-range punch & better all-round rideability).

Think they've got it wrong myself - the '650' should be the adventure bike & the 800 should be the road bike with off-road styling - just my 2p

[Crinkly]

Just checked figures - torque is also down on 650?? Seems a shame but could possibly still be the nicer bike to ride???

Data-logging the average rider has, after all, proved that most of us rarely use max bhp. The question is - how many people would be put-o