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    How to modify the Givi mount for less width and less height (S/ST)

    73 Comments by 800STDUDE Published on 04-16-08 04:34 PM
    Hello, I was wondering if anybody has installed the Givi V35 bags on the 800ST, using the PLX687 side case brackets. If so, do you have any words of advice or pictures to share that would make my installation easy? I heard it is quite difficult compared to installing on the F800S..
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    I can't help you on the ST. I installed them on my 800S and the worst part was relocating the turn signals; I had to splice the wires to make them long enough. I don't see why it would be more difficult with the ST. Good luck!!!

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    I've got them on my ST, installation is identical to the S. Only hiccup was the rear wiring harness had to be pulled to one side to reach the relocated turn signals, with extensions to reach the other signal.
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    Mike,

    I followed up with you via email. When the part originally came out there was a question if it would install on the ST. It obviously does.

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    I fitted them to my 800ST. They were easy to fit. Like Rider, I had to extend the wiring to my indicators.

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    I agree with Rider, Dave and Glenn. No real problem with installation except for the turn signals. I had read somewhere that you can stretch the wiring, without splicing, to move the signals --no dice. I spliced extra wiring and used the cloth type electrical tape from the hardware store (the kind you used to wrap your hockey sticks and baseball bats with). Looks almost stock.

    Along with my wife having problems swinging her leg over the bags, I didn't like the look of the bags (rear-end in the air, like a cat in heat). I lowered the back of the bags 5-1/2 inches so the look more like they belong on a sport-tourer, similar to a FJR-1300.

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    I've got this rack on Fred. No problems with fitting (hubby & friend obliged) but they did have to extend the indicator wiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Airhead View Post
    Mike from Ontario,

    Along with my wife having problems swinging her leg over the bags, I didn't like the look of the bags (rear-end in the air, like a cat in heat). I lowered the back of the bags 5-1/2 inches so the look more like they belong on a sport-tourer, similar to a FJR-1300.

    Mark from Sandwich
    do you have pics? I'm looking at the ST, got rid of my FJR last summer, but IMHO, the Givi's look better than the stock ST bags...
    Did you have any problems with the exhaust can when lowering the bags?
    (dont' have my ST...yet... stuck with the Harley for now... but at least it has 2 wheels! <BG>

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    Hi Rob

    I need some panniers to carry a Laptop, I seem to remember a thread showing pictures of your bike with the Givi V35 panniers attached, please ignore me this message if I am mistaken. I take it you have to buy a separate GIVI pannier mount kit as well as the two Pannier cases. Can I ask you if you have a part number for the mount kit and is it easy to fit. Could I also ask you the internal dimensions of the panniers. I currently have a BMW topbox, but the F800ST panniers won't take a top box and are too expensive.

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    Hi Dink,

    You are mistaken. I have a set of Hepco Becker Journey's that are going on my bike. They just arrived yesterday which means I should have pictures this week.

    I do however run F800 Depot, and as such know about the mount for the V35's. You need this: http://f800depot.com/index.php?main_...products_id=90

    Generally, the install is pretty easy - the only difficult part is relocating the rear turn signals. Some seem to have a long enough wiring harness, some dont. If you dont it requires a trip to the local hardware store for supplies. There are a couple threads around here referencing this. Searching should turn up a bit more than this thread, and feel free to PM me here or email me via the contact form on the Depot if you have any additional questions.
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    No issues at all.
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    No issues at all.
    Is that a GIVI V46 trunk case?

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    Yup. Its a V46. I have a 52 that I use a bit, but for everyday, the 46 seems to be ideal.
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    I like the extra lights on Herlemans bike.

    I take it the topbox can be unclipped and exchanged without tools?

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    Yes -- standard GIVI stuff.
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    I recently got my f800st and am looking to add side cases. I like the givi plx cases but can't figure out where givi moves the direction signals to. Do they add a bracket and hang them off the stop light? Are they more exposed if the bike should go down? Could someone please comment. Thanks Karl

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    Karl:

    The Givi rack incldes a new mount for the signals. You remove the lights, add the bracket, and reattach the lights to the new bracket. It moves the lights up a a couple of inches. The wiring is long enough to stretch to the new location with no trouble (although if the they had added another half an inch, rewiring would have been required).
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    Mike you mention lowerng the rear of the Givi bags. How did you do?

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    Here are some pictures of my lowered Givi V35 bags. The first picture shows the original bag position on the right and my lowered position on the left. You can see a bungee cord holding the muffler because I hadn't decided how much to lower it yet. The next picture is the stock bag position and the last picture is my lowered position. I made the custom brackets and had to cut the Givi mounts and weld in some flat stock, then have the parts powder coated. I'm happy with the results -- much easier to get on the bike now, too.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Airhead View Post
    VLT,

    Here are some pictures of my lowered Givi V35 bags. The first picture shows the original bag position on the right and my lowered position on the left. You can see a bungee cord holding the muffler because I hadn't decided how much to lower it yet. The next picture is the stock bag position and the last picture is my lowered position. I made the custom brackets and had to cut the Givi mounts and weld in some flat stock, then have the parts powder coated. I'm happy with the results -- much easier to get on the bike now, too.







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    Hi Mark,
    I've been watching this topic with more than a passing interest as this is a modification I've been contemplating myself.
    Having seen the pictures, (they're worth a thousand words), I must say that the bags (panniers), now suit the bike a lot better than the original setup.
    I now have my winter project lined up thanks to you.
    Well done for a major improvement to the F800.
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    How about some pictures of the modified Givi brackets. Bike looks great with the bags lowered

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    VLT,

    Here are some pictures of my lowered Givi V35 bags. The first picture shows the original bag position on the right and my lowered position on the left. You can see a bungee cord holding the muffler because I hadn't decided how much to lower it yet. The next picture is the stock bag position and the last picture is my lowered position. I made the custom brackets and had to cut the Givi mounts and weld in some flat stock, then have the parts powder coated. I'm happy with the results -- much easier to get on the bike now, too.







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    Looks real nice with the lowered bags..Thanks
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    The bike looks vastly superior with the lowered bags. They look as though they belong, rather than being tacked on. It appears that the bags are moved inward a bit to fit closer to the bike. I also like the line of the lowered muffler. Like you, I don't like the high *ss look that seems to be the style in recent years.

    If you have the time, I'd really like to see pics of the rack mods and the new muffler bracket. Did the muffler simply rotate downward without fuss?

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    I'll try to post some pictures of the brackets this evening.

    To lower the muffler I just used a piece of 1" angle iron with a couple of holes in it to go between the muffler hanger and the frame (measurements to follow). The muffler joint at the pipe is a sort of ball and socket -- it can be loosened and placed in almost any position you want. When tightened up it is pretty solid. Don't know how an after-market can would work.

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    Here are some pictures of modificatons to my Givi PLX687 case mounts. I wasn't smart enough to take "before" pictures, but if you have them you know what they look like. Apologies for the dirty bike - got caught in the rain today.

    The first picture is the bracket for lowering the muffler. It's just a bit of 1" angle iron. The bolt holes are 2-3/4 inches apart, center to center. The bracket is barely noticable, especially when the bags are on.



    The next shots are of the main top bracket that attaches to the bikes rack bolts. This part is removable from the rest of the mount by taking off 2 allen screws hidden under a plastic cover. I cut them and used 1-1/2" x 1/8" flat stock to lower the part that mounts to the main mount loop. A slight bend had to be added to the flat stock to get it to fit right. I also cut the BMW bag mounts that came on the bike back to fit with the modified mounts -- I find them handy for bungee cords.



    This is the front arm that is part of the main loop, where it attaches to the footpeg. It is bent slightly from dropping the back of the bags.



    The next 2 pictures are of the 'drop' bracket. The top is attached to the Givi bracket and the bottom to the main loop. The spacers that Givi supplied for between the main loop and that top bracket are not used, which causes the bag to be about 3/4" closer to the bike. The bolt holes are 5-1/4" apart, center to center.



    This is a stabilizer bar that connects the two bag mounts together under the fender. Made this out of a piece of 1/4" pipe that I welded nuts onto. I also had to cut a couple of half-moon notches in the fender so it would clear. It makes the bag mounts pretty rigid. A piece of flat stock could be used here so you wouldn't have to notch the fender.



    I spent quite a bit of time fiddling with the position of the various parts before I started cutting and welding. To finish up I had all of the parts powder coated. This wasn't a quick and easy mod, but I did it last winter, so I got to play in the garage when it was too crappy to ride, anyway.

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    I think it was well worth the time you spent. It's a nice, neat job and really improves the look and functionality of the bike.

    Thanks for posting the pictures and dimensions. The multiple angles of the pictures make it easy to understand what you've done.

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    I returned today to look at that lowered installation again. I like it a lot! The pitched mounted position did annoy me a bit but was something I figured I'd live with. Now I'm on a mission...I want this installation! It's been added to my growing list of winter mods.

    Thanks for posting this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bicyclist View Post
    The multiple angles of the pictures make it easy to understand what you've done.

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    Gosh, I wish I spoke this language. It is a great looking mod! Where was I when they were teaching this?!
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    Mark,

    Please indulge a few questions regarding your Givi mod. If I were to take this job to someone, would it be a welder? Is this something that with your instructions the average tool savvy person could do? Might the average bike shop be able to do it?

    If someone does this job for me, what's a ball park figure on the amount of time this demands? Thanks so much!
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    Shrosa,

    I read your last post during break at work and have been thinking of it since. I really don't know where you could have work like this done. A bike dealership won't do this kind of work, they're too busy and usually don't like to do things out of the ordinary -- I know this from personal experience. You may be able to find a one man bike shop who has a little fabrication experience and needs some work over the winter. You also may be able to find a small fabrication shop or weld shop that might take this on. Maybe one of the members of this forum might have an idea.

    Making the muffler hanger, long brackets in the rear, and the under the fender support would be pretty easy and quick. Most of the time needed would involve cutting the top bracket, cutting and shaping the flat stock to extend the bracket, messing around getting the bracket to fit right, and welding the assembly.

    Of course, you might take the pictures and your bike into someone that does fabrication for a living (I don't) and they may tell you that they can do it fairly easily and quickly.

    Sorry I can't be more help on this. If you do find out that you need more pictures or dimentions let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrosa View Post
    Mark,

    Please indulge a few questions regarding your Givi mod. If I were to take this job to someone, would it be a welder? Is this something that with your instructions the average tool savvy person could do? Might the average bike shop be able to do it?

    If someone does this job for me, what's a ball park figure on the amount of time this demands? Thanks so much!
    Hi Shrosa,
    Certainly the person who would be able to carry out these mods would be a welder. I speak as a retired fabricator/welder with 45 years experience behind me. A good mechanic should be able to do the work providing they have the necessary welding skills and the equipment. If the brackets break with the luggage on, you would be in real trouble.
    Mark,
    Your excellent modification is something that I intend doing over the winter season while I am using the other, older (188,000 miles) bike.
    I 'll endeavour to keep a record of all the dimensions and materials involved and post the results on here for all to use when completed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Airhead View Post
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    Sorry I can't be more help on this. If you do find out that you need more pictures or dimentions let me know.

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    Mark, you've been incredibly helpful! This tells me a lot. This gives me plenty of time to begin a search. By next summer, I expect to have this mod made. Thanks so much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Hi Shrosa,
    Certainly the person who would be able to carry out these mods would be a welder. I speak as a retired fabricator/welder with 45 years experience behind me. A good mechanic should be able to do the work providing they have the necessary welding skills and the equipment. If the brackets break with the luggage on, you would be in real trouble.
    Mark,
    Your excellent modification is something that I intend doing over the winter season while I am using the other, older (188,000 miles) bike.
    I 'll endeavour to keep a record of all the dimensions and materials involved and post the results on here for all to use when completed.
    Thanks! Please do keep that record--that would be helpful. I hear you about the brackets. When I find someone to do this, I'll be sure to point out how critical it is that the brackets are able to support fully loaded bags over varied terrain.

    Looking forward to hearing about your mod installation. Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Airhead View Post
    The next shots are of the main top bracket that attaches to the bikes rack bolts. This part is removable from the rest of the mount by taking off 2 allen screws hidden under a plastic cover. I cut them and used 1-1/2" x 1/8" flat stock to lower the part that mounts to the main mount loop. A slight bend had to be added to the flat stock to get it to fit right. I also cut the BMW bag mounts that came on the bike back to fit with the modified mounts -- I find them handy for bungee cords.


    I wanted to correct the statement that I used 1-1/2" x 1/8" flat stock on this modification. I actually used 1-1/2" x 3/16" flat stock. This doesn't sound like much, but I'm sure it makes a big difference in stiffness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Airhead View Post
    I wanted to correct the statement that I used 1-1/2" x 1/8" flat stock on this modification. I actually used 1-1/2" x 3/16" flat stock. This doesn't sound like much, but I'm sure it makes a big difference in stiffness.

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    yep, it will. Basically, stiffness is a cube function of the thickness so the 3/16" is:-

    (3x3x3)/(2x2x2) or 27/8 (call it 3 and a half) times stiffer than the 1/8"

    John.

    PS. Great mod! I've got the V35N's and E52 Maxia set-up and would love to add this one to my farkle collection.....might even buy myself a welding kit on the strength of it!
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    Can anyone post step by step directions for doing this givi modification?

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    Can anyone post step by step directions for doing this givi modification?
    It's a modification I will be carrying out in the next couple of months and I will be posting full details, sketches and pics etc. God willing.
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    It's a modification I will be carrying out in the next couple of months and I will be posting full details, sketches and pics etc. God willing.
    There's lots of salt on the roads here, so the F800 is hibernating, parked on the workbench.

    The modification to lower the Givi V35's should be starting any day soon.

    PS. the high-miler K75S will be used until the weather improves.
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    I finished my version of Mark's Givi lowering project today. I'm not a welder, so I replaced the stock upper mount with a piece that I made of 3/16" mild steel. It's simply a piece of flat stock that was bent and twisted to fit. To accommodate the angle, I cut a bit of steel tubular spacer at the complementary angle so that the top screw has something to bear on. The lower cross piece is made of flat stock, an alternative that Mark suggested. Otherwise, the dimensions are the same as he used. Thanks, Mark, the mod definitely improves the lines of the bike.




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    Looks fantastic, I love the no welding part! I was wondering if this brings the bags closer together? Would you be able to measure the width of the bags on the bike. From lateral end to lateral end. I am concerned about lane splitting. Thank you.

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    George (bicyclist),

    Excellent!! I like the "no weld" idea. Your top brackets looks a lot cleaner and simpler than mine. I'd like to see a picture of the under the fender cross piece.

    I like to see different approaches to the same 'problem'. Let's see what Bill (Will) comes up with.

    You'll find that it's a lot easier to get on and off without kicking the bags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Airhead View Post
    George (bicyclist),

    Excellent!! I like the "no weld" idea. Your top brackets looks a lot cleaner and simpler than mine. I'd like to see a picture of the under the fender cross piece.

    I like to see different approaches to the same 'problem'. Let's see what Bill (Will) comes up with.

    You'll find that it's a lot easier to get on and off without kicking the bags.

    Mark
    Thanks, Mark. The fender cross piece is a piece of steel with a 90° bend at each end. There isn't enough room to allow it to be placed flat against the fender, unfortunately.



    Boyee, the bags measure about 38" across at the widest point, which is toward the front of the bags. The mod does move them in slightly, but I didn't measure beforehand so I can't say how much. Sure seems wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bicyclist View Post
    . Boyee, the bags measure about 38" across at the widest point, which is toward the front of the bags. The mod does move them in slightly, but I didn't measure beforehand so I can't say how much. Sure seems wide.
    I measured mine with the standard setup and it was 41.5" so the mods will make quite a difference which is a benefit.
    I'm currently waiting on a delivery of stainless steel flat bar to complete the change to mine.
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    Thanks for the info George, Your windshield looks like it blocks out a lot of the wind, who makes it and what what size is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boyee View Post
    Thanks for the info George, Your windshield looks like it blocks out a lot of the wind, who makes it and what what size is it?

    Bo
    It's a 19" Ztechnik Vstream with a Laminar Lip mounted on top. Works very well. No turbulence around my helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VLT View Post
    How about some pictures of the modified Givi brackets. Bike looks great with the bags lowered
    Hi all,
    I've now completed the modifications to the Givi pannier racks as shown in the photo.
    Now I need to write it up and post the relevant pics of what and how it was done.
    Having tried the bike out on a 180 mile run with the panniers on, I have to say that looks apart, the difference in being able to get my leg over is tremendous.
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    Will,
    Very nice. Did you go the "cut and weld" route, or make a new bracket like George? Let's see some pictures.

    I like George's solution a little better than mine. It's non-destructive -- you can always put it back to where it was before the modification. Overall, I'm happy I did it, though.
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    That looks good, Will. Mark's idea certainly improves the look and functionality. I'll be interested to see your brackets.

    It appears that you have both added fender extensions to your front fenders. I ordered one, as well. I'm not sure that it will be long enough and am thinking about trying to vacuum mold one of my own.

    I'd also like to add fork gaiters. I put them on my K75s and have never had to replace the fork seals. I haven't found ones to fit the ST, yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bicyclist View Post
    That looks good, Will. Mark's idea certainly improves the look and functionality. I'll be interested to see your brackets.

    It appears that you have both added fender extensions to your front fenders. I ordered one, as well. I'm not sure that it will be long enough and am thinking about trying to vacuum mold one of my own.

    I'd also like to add fork gaiters. I put them on my K75s and have never had to replace the fork seals. I haven't found ones to fit the ST, yet.
    Hi, bicyclist
    I also had fork gaiters fitted from new on my K75S in 1989 by the dealer.
    I had them fitted from new on the F800 by my current dealer. Well worth the expense to have it done.
    Givi write-up a.s.a.p.
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