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Everybody by now has heard plenty on the world-wide spread of the corona virus. It seems to be everywhere. Washington state had a death attributed to it in recents news. So what is happening in your neck of the woods?
Any local or national news concerning this is welcome. I'm not sure as to what to make of it myself. Maybe by combining any information here as some kind of information port. A greater understand of what is going on can be ascertained.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/worse-than-flu-busting-coronavirus-myths
 
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I am currently with an infectious diseases specialist due to a fungal infection in my lung, and he was extremely glad that I've had the 2 shots of AZ. He has followed cases in a major hospital in Melbourne, including a couple of the blood clotting incidents. His view is the the minor risks with the AZ (about the same as getting struck with lightning) far out way the long term affects of getting the Covid 19. He said that nearly all the people that have had the virus have some form of long term consequences.
 
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Virtually all new Covid deaths and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people, White House says

-Almost no one who has been vaccinated is being sent to the hospital or dying from the coronavirus, White House officials said.
-The remarks came as President Joe Biden's Covid team focuses on the portion of the population that has not been inoculated against the virus.
-The continued push for vaccinations is now competing with the rise of the highly transmissible delta variant in the U.S.
 
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It's probably best to take what you hear from the "White House" with a grain of salt. Maybe a shaker or two of salt. Most of what they put out is propaganda, not fact. It's like they'd like you to believe is the people taking to the streets in Cuba are doing so because they can't get enough vaccine shots. Really? And if you look at what the liberals are not saying...it is pretty revealing. You don't see anything from Bernie Sanders about the protests. Or from AOC. Or from Colin Kapernick. Why? Because those people are protesting to get freedom...not vaccine shots.

Finding objective news on the vaccines isn't hard...but you won't find it on mainstream media.

And here's the one you really wanted to look at:
The most wicked medical experiment in human history has hit a horrific threshold.
In the past week, the latest VAERS Report indicates over 9,000 deaths related to the experimental COVID-19 vaccines.
That's more vaccine-related deaths than all other vaccines combined.
Yet, the government and Big Pharma continue to insist the experimental jabs are safe and effective.
With over 9,000 vaccine-related deaths, in what reality is this "safe and effective?"
Past vaccinations were pulled with dozens of deaths.
But the experimental COVID-19 vaccines are pushing 10,000.
And VAERS is notorious for underreporting cases.
That means we likely already passed 10,000 experimental COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths.

Plus:

The "Delta" variant is supposedly more communicable...but the reactions are similar to hay fever or a cold. This is not the kind of infection you run and cry like Chicken Little about.

Also, one last thought...

Now you can sit there smugly and talk about all those who haven't been vaccinated...but why have 40-50% of the CDC and NIH employees not taken the vaccine? The vaccine has been available to all, and at no cost. They are even offering you drugs and lottery tickets to take the vaccine. And almost half of the employees in the very offices at the heart of guiding us through this pandemic...have refused the vaccine? Yes, I said, "refused" because they have every opportunity and you'd think they would know the best how deadly this virus is.

Or maybe they know something we don't know?

So while it may be a favorite pastime to bash the USA...start getting your facts straight and look to your own nation. It has it's problems too.

Chris
 
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*States with low vaccination numbers had Covid-19 case rates last week 3 times higher than others where people are fully vaccinated
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/12/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

*Here's a map showing where low vaccination rates meet high case counts as U.S. Covid infections surge
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/13/cov...ccination-rates-as-delta-variant-spreads.html

*In Arkansas, Covid-19 cases surge as state combats vaccine skepticism

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/us/arkansas-fights-delta-variant-vaccine-skepticism/index.html

*It's not just about you. Experts say getting a Covid-19 vaccine protects everyone around you
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html
 
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I tend to disregard anything CNN publishes. As a post on another forum described CNN,

Yes, CNN is irresponsible and biased beyond description, and staffed by the dumbest and most ignorant journalists and commentators on Earth.

But the problem here isn't that. The problem here is that whatever those reports actually stated, with details, qualifications, and caveats, no doubt, (if they were legitimate), will NOT be understood by CNN journalists.

Journalists get little or no education in math or the sciences, typically. And ANY statistics stuff might as well be in Greek, to most journalists. (Most journalists will tell you that algebra doesn't exist in the real world, but tell that to engineers.)

CNN exists to make money scaring Americans with the most fear-producing headlines they can gin up.
So it's not just me. ;) I like his last line. "CNN exists to make money scaring Americans with the most fear-producing headlines they can gin up."

Somebody else called it "fear porn". An apt description.

You can make statistics say whatever you want them to say. In one of the articles, Vermont was being compared to Arkansas for the number of cases. A more apt comparison would be comparing Vermont to South Dakota, just on population alone. Arkansas as almost 3M people vs Vermont with a fifth of that. People are far more spread out in Vermont than in Arkansas. I didn't cross-reference vaccination rates as well. There are too many other things in life to be doing instead.

I look at the "big picture" usually. I've had the flu a few times in the past, and didn't go to the doctor. There was little doubt in my mind I had the flu and we just monitored my temperature and I stayed in bed. A couple days later, I was fine. We've been programmed now though to run to the doctor if we have any symptoms of anything to be tested. If the tests are still as bogus as they were being reported a few weeks ago, then are we getting false positives? The testing centers were told to run the tests through 40 cycles if you hadn't had a vaccine...but only 25 cycles if you had had the vaccine. The first number was criticized for giving false positives...and it makes you wonder how many of the "asymptomatic" carriers actually had the virus.

The symptoms are similar to the common cold or hay fever.
The Delta COVID-19 variant is more infectious - but there's 'promising' data on vaccines and deadliness
Experts are still learning about the Delta variant, but the symptoms do seem to be different to the "original" coronavirus.

Previously fever, persistent cough and loss of taste or smell were the top symptoms to watch out for.

But with Delta, a headache is the most common symptom, followed by a sore throat, runny nose and fever.
We have been programmed to equate a positive test result with death. Sure, we are all going to die...but not necessarily from COVID.

I see people driving around in their cars...by themselves...with the windows rolled up...and wearing a mask. Have we not learned how to think for ourselves? Those people haven't.

The other one that makes me roll my eyes is the older lady who walks her dog in the early morning. She's wearing a mask. I'm the only one close to her and I'm hundreds of yards away, in a car with my windows rolled up. Who is she afraid of getting the virus from? Her dog?
 
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Don't individuals have the right to choose to wear a mask if it makes them feel more comfortable?
 
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I totally agree, Richard. You're in a enclosed public building with a lot of other people around. And you're doing it to make others feel more comfortable. But why does that make someone "comfortable"? Are they living in fear? Because in the past 12+ months of the two-week lockdown, we were told the world was coming to an end? And they believed it?

Now what about the person alone in their car with the windows up...and wearing a mask? Does it make any sense? Or is it virtue signaling? The "science" certainly doesn't support wearing a mask.

We are thinking human beings...supposedly. We do things because there's a reason for doing so. Maybe it is a reflexive action, like stepping back onto the curb when a bus is about to run us over. We see the danger, and we move out of the way. We go to school and get training so we can get a better job (hopefully), but we make a conscious decision for doing so. Why do we wear a mask? The science doesn't support it. Unless it is a N95 mask, it is worthless. In fact, it probably falls into the category we were told initially not to wear, because it broke the vapor particles into smaller particles which stayed airborne longer.

So I think it is one thing to wear a mask in a crowded situation. Asians have been doing so for years. I doubt it helps unless you get a much higher rated mask than the general populace has. And I doubt it helps if you wear it under your nose, like many people do that I see. :D But they are probably mouth-breathers, so they are still doing the right thing. :D

Over the past what...15 months of the two-week lockdown, I've done a lot of observing and thinking. I started out on the side of being very vigilant regarding the lockdowns, wearing a mask, etc. Then I noticed some things. Here's one for instance. The masks that we are supposed to wear when required...do they do anything to filter out smoke from the forest fires? No. If they are worth anything at all in the fight against COVID, they should...but they don't. They are worthless against the large smoke particles from forest fires floating in the air. How effective will they be against COVID virus particles that are thousands of times smaller? Nill. Nada. Zilch. So why are you wearing them...especially when you don't have to?

I'm not a fan of the statistics I see anywhere. CNN, CDC, Fauci, the White House...99% of the media -- they all have an agenda they are pushing and it has nothing to do with keeping you safe. Do you think it is a coincidence that the CDC said the testing cycles were too high and giving false positives...the afternoon of Biden's inauguration? They knew that for months. They have an agenda.

So as I said, I look around me and observe. A friend is very overweight. I'm not sure he ties his own shoe laces. He's a diabetic. He's out of shape. He's in his late 60's. He got COVID...and it was like a bad cold. Another friend on the opposite side of the spectrum, got COVID. He works at Microsoft. Fit. Young. It was like a cold for him. As many of you know, I teach the Bible at a drug/alcohol rehab house. Two of the guys got COVID, and I sat with them at a table where we were elbow to elbow for over an hour...and I didn't get COVID. At church, we have a "Senior Saints" group. There's probably 120+ old people in there. We haven't worn masks for months...and we haven't been getting COVID. Our church services transitioned to making masks optional a month or so ago. We get about a thousand at each service. We're singing and packed into the room tight. We're not getting COVID.

There's no statistics there to manipulate. Just observations from the past six months.

But if I look at the news media, the sky is falling and we must tell the king!


Definitely. :) Just as individuals should have the right to choose not to wear a mask if it makes them feel more comfortable.
 
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I wear a mask in an enclosed public building like a grocery store, even though I don't need to because I am fully vaccinated and the store, like Safeway, does not require its customers to wear a mask. But I do so anyway to make people around me more comfortable. It seem like a small thing to do for 30 minutes if it makes others feel better protected against getting sick.
 
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What can I say? There is no question that the media constantly tells us to be very fearful of catching the virus and will bring up the few cases where someone has become sick even though they were vaccinated. But what do you expect when the manufacturer of the vaccine says it is 94% effective. Someone will be in that 6%. There is nothing wrong with the message, but I do wish they would tone it down a bit and I am really getting tired of seeing people get "jabbed" with a needle on every TV news program. Enough, already. I am really not a big fan of needles. :rolleyes:

In my county, we have a vaccination rate of over 80%, but I do see different reactions from various people that I meet. Some people still wear a mask while walking by themselves outside and when I see them on my walks around the neighborhood and they see me from a block away, they will move over to the other side of the street to avoid getting within 50 feet of me. There is one elderly Asian lady that I occasionally see going for a walk that wears a huge hat, a full-face mask, goggles, a scarf, gloves and a raincoat. Now there is someone who is really in fear of becoming sick (and perhaps she has a personal reason for that fear). On the other hand, other people will walk right past me not wearing a mask as they might have done two years ago. Everyone is different in the way they react to the situation, so I just try to accommodate their concerns as best I can if I can do so with little effort on my part.

Interestingly, I was at my local Ace Hardware store last weekend and none of the employees were wearing masks, but all of their customers were. :confused: I guess Ace Hardware employees are tougher than their customers. [;)]
 
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As I said in an earlier post, I tend to take this stuff with a few grains of salt.

What Fauci's emails tell us about his deadly incompetence and mishandling of COVID
Revelations include flip-flops on masking, fixation with a failed coronavirus drug, and disastrous virus mortality errors.

You might want to read the entire article. I'll put a quote here for you.

Two weeks after his March 2 email, Fauci reiterated to the U.S. House Oversight and Reform Committee that mortality for the flu was around 0.1 percent. The updated mortality rate of COVID-19, however, was around 1 percent, he claimed. As Dr. Brown remarked, "The conclusion was reported to the House Committee that the coronavirus was 10 times more lethal than seasonal influenza."

Brown explained that Fauci's comparison between influenza and COVID-19 mixed up two different metrics: case fatality rate and infection fatality rate. "Confusion between CFRs and IFRs may seem trivial, and it is easy to overlook at first, but this confusion may have ultimately led to an unintentional miscalculation in coronavirus mortality estimation," Brown said.

"A comparison of coronavirus and seasonal influenza CFRs may have been intended during Congressional testimony, but due to misclassifying an IFR as a CFR, the comparison turned out to be between an adjusted coronavirus CFR of 1% and an influenza IFR of 0.1%," he said.

Fauci's mistake thereby "helped launch a campaign of social distancing, organizational and business lockdowns, and shelter-in-place orders" based in large part on an error.
And we continue to blindly follow that mistake with some people having no intention of ever going back to living a life without a face diaper.

Dr. Fauci: anti-masker
Fauci's emails also detailed his stunning reversals on mask use and his initial rejection of widespread masking, given what he recognized to be the ineffectiveness of most face masks.

"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection," Fauci wrote February 5 to Sylvia Burwell, presumably the Obama-era health secretary and former Gates Foundation executive.

"The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material," he told Burwell. "I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you are going to a vey low risk location."
Then there's been the entire fuss about the "vaccine". First, it really isn't a true vaccine in the sense of the definition of a vaccine. Do you remember the huge amount of negative press regarding Hydroxychloroquine? Does it work? Most of the press says it doesn't. But if it did work, big pharma couldn't get the approval for an "experimental" vaccine. Likewise, India was having huge problems with the Delta variant. That is till they started using ivermectin. The FDA and CDC still don't approve...but the doctors in India found it worked well.

FDA warns against ivermectin to treat covid, but India uses it successfully for health care workers

So why all the push for a "vaccine" that is killing people, when there are drugs that are shown to work? Money maybe?

And if it is for money...why are we going along with the lie?
 
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Went out for the Wednesday night ride with the lads (10 of us) the other night to a Lake out in the Mountains and then to the Black Sheep Public House for drinks and vittles,,. Big place, packed & there wasn't a face mask or a wet eye in the place, waitresses patrons the works,,. BC was a little slow getting vaccine inventory but once we got things rolling our numbers have fallen off a cliff, luckily, just ahead of the "D" variant,,,,.

WELCOME BACK TO THE OLD NORMAL,,!!


80% of eligible adults in B.C. have now received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose


British Columbia has just hit a major COVID-19 vaccine milestone.

Health Minister Adrian Dix said Tuesday that 80 per cent of the adult population has received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine.

In a press conference announcing plans to expand Richmond Hospital, Dix mentioned the province was also close to having 80 per cent of the population over 12 partially immunized.

As of Monday, 78.8 per cent of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. had received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 44.6 per cent had received their second dose.

READ MORE: Data in favour of mixing COVID-19 vaccines, but long-term effects unknown: experts

When just eligible adults are counted, that number climbed to 79.9 per cent while 47.7 per cent have received their second dose.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8024862/bc-vaccination-rate-80-per-cent-eligible-adults/
 
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Many county health officers (starting in LA but now expanding to the SF Bay Area) in California are now recommending that even fully vaccinated people go back to wearing face masks indoors since COVID-19 cases are increasing dramatically over the past couple of weeks in the state. What isn't clear is why they feel that vaccinated people should go back to wearing masks, since they admit that almost all of the new cases are impacting un-vaccinated people. :confused:
 
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Many county health officers (starting in LA but not expanding to the SF Bay Area) in California are now recommending that even fully vaccinated people go back to wearing face masks indoors since COVID-19 cases are increasing dramatically over the past couple of weeks in the state. What isn't clear is why they feel that vaccinated people should go back to wearing masks, since they admit that almost all of the new cases are impacting un-vaccinated people. :confused:
They talk about cases, but not about deaths or even hospitalizations.

Take this next comment as a "true fact", because you know that everything you read on the Internet is true. :D Something that surprised the experimental vaccine makers is they planned for the spike proteins in their RNA vaccines would stay in one place, the muscle where it was injected. This hasn't happened. The spike proteins are traveling throughout the body and accumulating in some strange places. The brain. Ovaries. Heart muscle. And they are being exhaled where non-vaccinated people can breathe them in. This is what concerns a lot of people. You get past the initial day of the injection, but then people are dying mysteriously days or weeks later and it appears to be related to the experimental injection.

Chris
 
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Will see what happens here, personally I would have left most of the rules in place for another four weeks,,. Our cases peaked 3 months ago and at the time they were considerable higher then what they were at any time last year, like more then 10 x higher and now with health rules and vaccines were on the cusp of eradicating the population,,.

Hopefully thats the end of it , but you never know with this thing,. The biggest risk is that much of the developing world has barely scratched the surface so it could take years,,!!
 
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During the Texas Great Freeze Blackout of 2021 my old friend Dennis and his wife sat outside by a bonfire with the 40’ish year old couple across the street and became great friends. Now his new friend, whatever his name was, was taken by Covid -19 and my friend is pissed. He said, “Everything changed with the Delta. Delta has become an IQ Test.”

Harsh but he is fed up like most of us here in the US with this thing lingering due to people who previously took every vaccine now being convinced this one is bad. News Flash! This pandemic is bad! And no, the entire World is not playing along to hurt Trump like my other old friend thinks. Love is lacking badly at the moment….
 
#1,354 ·
During the Texas Great Freeze Blackout of 2021 my old friend Dennis and his wife sat outside by a bonfire with the 40'ish year old couple across the street and became great friends. Now his new friend, whatever his name was, was taken by Covid -19 and my friend is pissed. He said, "Everything changed with the Delta. Delta has become an IQ Test."

Harsh but he is fed up like most of us here in the US with this thing lingering due to people who previously took every vaccine now being convinced this one is bad. News Flash! This pandemic is bad! And no, the entire World is not playing along to hurt Trump like my other old friend thinks. Love is lacking badly at the moment….
My thoughts are the same. And why are there so many first responders and medical staff so afraid of getting the vaccine? It has probably been extensively tested more than any other vaccine in history without people having severe reactions than any other vaccine that they have taken in the past. It just doesn't make any sense. :confused: When the TV reporters interview anti-vaxxers, they typically respond that it is all about "freedom". Which freedom is that? The freedom to get sick and potentially die, or the freedom to infect others? [:(]
 

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Its still on my bucket list to do a loop through Wa. State this year, might be in the snow but will still go?

Rep. Brian Higgins of New York has been fighting to reopen the Canada/U.S. land border for months. He joins Power & Politics to discuss its reopening to fully vaccinated Canadians.

 
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I'm glad it worked out for you.

There's a thread over on the Kawasaki Concours Owners Group forum on "Vaccine Hesitancy". Lots of good info there. Sad to say, this is the last post from a couple minutes ago.

Scary Harry said:
Welp...just got an email from a dear friend of mine in Colorado. His brother, who was perfectly healthy, elected to receive the 2nd jab on Monday. Sadly, he passed away last night. No other details other than it was from the vaccine.
There's links over there on how nursing staff absolutely will not take the jab. If they won't...maybe they know something more than I do, and I should pay attention to them.

I thought it interesting today that when I went to my Primary Care doctor, they asked if I'd had my flu shot yet, and I said "no". Then if I'd had my COVID shot, and I said, "no". They didn't try to convince me that I should get them. Normally, I get the flu shot. I've done that for decades. Half a century? (not quite, but close) Gosh, I'm getting old. :D But this year, I may opt out. I've heard several people who weren't in the military like I was say they don't get the flu vaccine and they don't catch the flu.

One of the tests they'll do with the blood they took, will be to see if I had COVID last August. If I did, that was one of the easiest flu bugs I've ever had to get over. Temp was 102F for a few days. There was some gastro-intestinal discomfort...enough to know things down there weren't quite right, but not enough to be concerned. And some shortness of breath. That last is the only one I was concerned about.

Chris
 
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