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    Whilst out the other day, I had cause to stop at a Zebra crossing (nah not a Zebra crossing the road), several youths had pressed the cross button and waited for the walk sign. Most were or had head phones in listening to what ever! The last one just ambled onto the crossing, not looking up to check if it was safe to cross and just stopped in the middle, just stopped and was twiddling with his hand held device. The lights changed to green, he was still there just a shade further on. So with no one else around I moved withing a short distance from him, and he did not move, he was so engrossed in what he was doing. So I hit my 119dB horn. Did he jump, he was livid and shouting at me and giving me threats and so on. I lifted my lid, pointed out to him where he was to his response was you should F$%^@g wait, so I hit my horn again and told him to go suck, and the next time I wont miss.

    Bloody irriots, expect us to avoid them just because they cannot be bothered. They not only risk their lives, but lives of bikers, cyclists (they are also to blame, seen may a near miss), car drivers and truck drivers all have had near miss events.

    So what have you encountered, and any reports on any tragedies.

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    Sorry to say I take a different view. Tolerance is required and what really is achieved by frightening a kid with your air horn.

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    Sorry Derek, you're obviously a very patient man with plenty of time on your hands and much younger than us I imagine. People when crossing the road should be observant and diligent - for their own safety and for the consideration of other road users. A quick blast from a 119db air horn should have brought the miscreant back to the job in hand which was to walk across the road within the allotted time of the lighted green man. If Flook had been talking about an elderly or infirm person then I would castigate him for his impatience.
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    Unfortunately I no longer have an airhorn, but it is a 119dB horn. I am considering getting another one from Nippy Normans though, they are a reasonable price.

    It was a youth, and he just stopped in the middle of a busy road, at that time it was not, but on my return journey it was.

    I am wondering if any of you guy's have come across this and your near miss events

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flook View Post
    he was livid and shouting at me and giving me threats and so on.
    I agree with Terry and would probably have given a quick press on the horn from the stop line (standard horn can't do blasts) to wake the idiot up !

    Any other ped. would have raised an apologetic hand and moved off. Biggest concern was youth couldn't even see his error and gave Dave the abuse.

    Summer holiday makers in GT. Yarmouth were the most frustrating. Long after the green man had changed to red and the traffic light was now green they would still keep crossing. Bliping the throttle and edging forward often just attracted a dirty look and that could be from parents with kids too !

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    That's the future our youth. Completely isolated from reality.Wonder how many people suffer death and injury everyday minding their electronic device and not where they are going.
    Do you stop to make adjustments on your GPS or drive and button push?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytotl View Post
    Sorry Derek, you're obviously a very patient man with plenty of time on your hands and much younger than us I imagine. People when crossing the road should be observant and diligent - for their own safety and for the consideration of other road users. A quick blast from a 119db air horn should have brought the miscreant back to the job in hand which was to walk across the road within the allotted time of the lighted green man. If Flook had been talking about an elderly or infirm person then I would castigate him for his impatience.
    Hi

    Yes time and kids are kids. Age I would like to think I was younger but 72 years next birthday so only young at heart.

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    You had the legal right of way, but had you intentionally hit him, you would have been ruled at fault. At least that's how it'd be viewed in the U.S.

    I'm a frequent jay-walker in the city that I work in, even when police are nearby. It's illegal, but it's tolerated and "expected." But if I violate a vehicle's right of way and get hit accidentally, it's on me.

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    Bugger me, we went out for a Sunday roast in Higham Ferrers, Wendy pulled to a stop at lights and obviously guy's were crossing, lights went green when some dipsticks walked right in front, no looking right or left, Wendy was just moving when she braked, I hit the horn, they just looked at us as if we were mental, and it was there absolute right to cross whenever they liked. Oh, and I got an ear bashing because in Wendy's words, "your not driving if I wanted to sound the horn I would have", ha, so that was me told then. I have now been put in my place, I must stand in the corner.

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    You might not like it but the Pedestrian has the right of way. You have no legal right to run them over whether the light is green or any other colour. It is an offence in the UK to harass a pedestrian by your actions. I always think it better just to think what a dip stick and let it go.

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    I operate a trolley bus in down town Vancouver and i see this type of behavior every day. Once a pedestrian is in a crosswalk he has the right of way, even if not in a crosswalk, it is up to you as a driver/rider to do your best to avoid them. Unfortunately on some dark and rainy night that same pedestrian will meet his untimely end.

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    Dave's toot of the horn was reasonable to wake up the youngster and remind him to head toward the sidewalk. Shouting matches, hand gesticulations and single favor salutes, might help release some anger, but really accomplishes nothing. My guess is that the teen still feels that he did nothing wrong. At least in the US, pedestrians have the right of way, no matter what.

    A few years ago, I was heading out for vacation in my Toyota pickup. I was passing through a small city and looking for a restaurant for a food break. Ahead of me, I saw a gent walking on the sidewalk, cell phone to his ear. He appeared to dawdle, change his mind and then quickly stepped into a cross walk. At that point, I was in the right hand lane as he entered from the left. I made a command decision to continue on sensing that he now saw me and there was ample time for me to move past him, and not have to almost lock my brakes. Within seconds, the flashing light and siren were in my rearview. I was just caught in a cross-walk "sting" set up by the local police. Busted. Lesson learned the hard way.

    Now, if I see a pedestrian anywhere near a crosswalk, I stop. No exceptions. Regardless of the situation and even if the pedestrian is oblivious to his surroundings, an auto vs. pedestrian can only result in badness all around. Give'em a brake!

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    Lemmings.. All lemmings! Motorways are safer in the UK because the following are banned. Pedestrians, cyclists and mopeds on L plates. Your horn only says "I am here." Everyone starts to get defensive, ped might have the right but not the might. Bike has the might but the pocket would then be light.

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    What would I do? Give them a toot. Regardless of who's right, all road users have a duty of care.....



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    Derek, the lights had changed, he had no right of way, that was removed when the lights allowed traffic the right. I reckon he forgot where he was in his own dream world. The problem here is this, this is starting to happen all to frequently, guy's girl's walking into the road, not looking at all. Pedestrians do not have the right of way unless they use the relevant crossings, motorists including bikers of all types, have the right of passage, but should be careful, and use the road and drive/ride with due care and attention. But in that circumstance, he became a jaywalker, and as such I treated his as one, hence I sounded my horn, I moved behind him in the hope he would hear me, which he did not, so I sounded my horn, which he did hear. Next time he may remember that situation and be more aware of the circumstances of his situation and learn from it.

    Mark your comments ore very interesting, over here in the UK, I am not aware we have anything like that, the police are not interested until some one gets injured, then they are interested, and if it is found the person was on the phone, texting or what ever, even with having ear phones, they are more likely to be prosecuted than who ever hit them would be. It would come down to providing proof of the fact.

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    You're still seem very much an angry young man Flook, I've moved on, I used to be like that many years ago, these days I try to be immune to stupid tossers, I find being wound up and losing my rag is not good for the Karma and I'm a nicer person to be around if I keep my temper under control especially with the family in the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by restandplay View Post
    Hi

    what really is achieved by frightening a kid with your air horn.

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    Possibly saving his worthless hide next time he crosses the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flook View Post
    Pedestrians do not have the right of way

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    WRONG pedestrians have right of way on all highways except where specifically excluded, Motorways, etc, also the 15m either side of a crossing where zigzags are painted

    Whilst they are advised to use footpaths they can use the road BY RIGHT anywhere

    The only people who can hit pedestrians and get away with it are usually wearing blue serge uniforms

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    Not angry at all, just making comment on what has been posted. However if you say I am angry and you know me better that I does, then you must be correct, however I do love to dissapoint.

    I really need to meet up with you guy's, I was going t mee tup with thumper about 18 months back, that fell through, Carlos most recently passed on a meet up. I like to meet guy's from this site, have a chat, go fro a ride as well. I have made good friends here by doing that, they know I am ... well you would have to wait and see. Flook loves to shake things about to see what happens, and some take the bait

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flook View Post
    Derek, the lights had changed, he had no right of way, that was removed when the lights allowed traffic the right. I reckon he forgot where he was in his own dream world. The problem here is this, this is starting to happen all to frequently, guy's girl's walking into the road, not looking at all. Pedestrians do not have the right of way unless they use the relevant crossings, motorists including bikers of all types, have the right of passage, but should be careful, and use the road and drive/ride with due care and attention. But in that circumstance, he became a jaywalker, and as such I treated his as one, hence I sounded my horn, I moved behind him in the hope he would hear me, which he did not, so I sounded my horn, which he did hear. Next time he may remember that situation and be more aware of the circumstances of his situation and learn from it.

    Mark your comments ore very interesting, over here in the UK, I am not aware we have anything like that, the police are not interested until some one gets injured, then they are interested, and if it is found the person was on the phone, texting or what ever, even with having ear phones, they are more likely to be prosecuted than who ever hit them would be. It would come down to providing proof of the fact.

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    You do have to expect the unexpected. It's up to everyone to ensure their own safety and the safety of others. For a person to amble across a road unaware of the surroundings with no care for his/her own safety could be tantamount to suicide. Its almost like crossing a road with your eyes closed if you don't know whats around you.
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    Death by iPod is becoming a serious problem.

    In Wellington they changed the direction od a one way street (buses only) still months later people are getting knocked down, normally becaue they are zoned out and can't hear a bus coming!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10676831

    iPod users are being warned by police to be vigilant on the roads after the death of a young woman who was hit by a car while listening to music.

    It is believed to be the third case in the past year in which a pedestrian or cyclist listening to an iPod has been distracted and killed.
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    I saw someone last week in Oxford fiddle arsing around with their iphone walk straight into a lamp post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Fandango View Post
    I saw someone last week in Oxford fiddle arsing around with their iphone walk straight into a lamp post.
    Classic.
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    In my opinion when you have time to toot it's still heaven, it means you are not in a real danger situation and still have plenty of time to react.
    What to do in those situations is at personal discretion, I would have simply dribbled the walker if there was enough space on the road (maybe hitting a pair of times the high-light to let the walker wake up from his slumber ); in case of no space to proceed at speed, I would have hit the horn just like you did.

    But the real problems are when someone steps into the road on your trajectory without warning signs and at the last possible second..we all know that means shit!
    It happened for me with my Majesty 400 (you know those things don't brake anywhere near like a motorbike)..an old geezer on a bycicle decided to do a 90° turn and step just in the middle of the road without watching if someone was coming (maybe he was drunk), I blocked both the wheels of my majesty risking of sliding and falling, and missed him for like 3-4 centimeters, at 70 km/h ...and I was in a country road, not in a town..I stopped, turned back and sent him to hell with my finger out that time, for real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Fandango View Post
    I saw someone last week in Oxford fiddle arsing around with their iphone walk straight into a lamp post.
    I do that without an ipod
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    Probably saving his life if he learns from it. Judging by his attitude not likely. Horn is exactly what I would do if I see somebody playing with his iPhone in the middle of the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loiner 1960 View Post
    Lemmings.. All lemmings! Motorways are safer in the UK because the following are banned. Pedestrians, cyclists and mopeds on L plates.
    Not sure about cyclists. Last week I have seen cyclist on a dual carriageway texting on his iPhone, WTF??

    I know cycling on dual carriageways is legal in the UK, that does not make it sane though.

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    Uh, what's a carriageway???

    Flookie I would have rammed him like a Viking horde on a British drawbridge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarless View Post
    Uh, what's a carriageway???

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    If I had done that Tarless, it would have damaged my bike, bugger that for a game.

    Hi Val, I did not see you come along, nice to see some one else from the UK, though you do not specify where in this country you are, but welcome any way, feel free to join in anywhere, there is a word association going on down in the General discussion side.

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    Devon, that is a small space, some are so wide they could widen the dual carriageway
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    Dave, I was talking about the carriages ... not the carriageway

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    I like the way that your carriages leave a nice amount of space between each other ...
    The twats still drive into each other on a daily basis

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    You mean the cars (vehicles), that is an empty dual carriage way, normally they are about less than two meters from nose to tail, in the case of lorries less than that.
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    I mean they pull out into the outside lane without looking. You are right the road in the picture is empty, the photo must have been taken at 4.00 am as it doesnt resemble real life!

    this is a bit more like it, (Photo of the A34)


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    traffic is one direction, empty other lane.
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    All going south for the holidays!

    Here is a recent photo of what it can be like Northbound!


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    Our carriages are just as bad ...


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    Okay, can we please refer to it as a horseless carriageway then?

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    Though that's not always the case ...


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    DRat! Just when I thought I had it figured out!

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    That has gotta be some sort of horse play
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    Tarless where you are, they may refer to vehicles as horseless carriages, over here we cal them person carriers complete with a thing called a combustion engine, that is filled up with horse pee and poo
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    No. they've not used horse poo since Richard of the 1605 Flook. I think they used wenches poo from 1605 to 1764 and then upgraded it to hags from then. Sorry I may have my dates wrong. Ah, you colonials wouldn't see the subtle difference in texture.
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    Hey I can tell horse poop from fair maiden poop!

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    Another thread deteriorated to a crap discussion!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWS View Post
    Though that's not always the case ...

    Devon, how did you get that picture of my new car? Came with free horse, same as every other new car over here.....




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    Although I started this thread as a near miss, however in some situations one can have the crap literally frightened out of them. This has been born out by the above

    Tarless is correct in mentioning he knows the difference between maiden poo and horse dung. However King Richard 1605 has now told us he has a new car that is full of horse dung, I understand this will come in handy for when he grows crops, but is a shit of a pain to remove from his upholstery. But he is ever wise, in he has wenches to clean out his now horseless carriage, err sorry car

    Oxy I believe has it spot on, and if he was full size human we would indeed see his flag of apology, where he is not so this goes into the bin marked Black Friday

    It must be a very bumpy road for IanA, as he has as he has now deteriorated so far he is now incontinent

    Carlos is stuck in a traffic hold up, but has been fortunate enough to carry an empty bottle and well, I will not mention the box

    Me, I am as you are all aware, I am not of this world, I am as i so often am, else where and doing my business every where

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