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    My guess would be the Co-pilot..
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    What about the poor flight engineer sitting directly behind?
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    sorry to keep everyone guessing
    my last post is a real radar shot of all the planes on approach to memphis (some time ago), it actually shows them all avoiding a very large thunderstorm that is center on memphis, if you watch some planes actually hold and then go to their alternates. Of course it is not real time but not too far off...
    Just goes to show how many planes are flying around day and night....so perhaps pizza man is on to something here...anti global warming initiative....AGWI....

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    OK, here is some shots I just took this morning. The sky was perfectly clear then the planes came.

    There has been very little air traffic over head for the last few days and we have had clear blue skies. Now there is the numerous flights back and forth. I'll have some shots later this afternoon. My guess is the sky will be nice and grey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve n rose View Post
    It's all a sceptical delusion!!!
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    My apologies ....sorry, .I didn't get the accent right.
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    This is a different take... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...l-warming.html


    Read at the bottom of the article...

    " Scientists have proposed various ways of emitting such particles into the atmosphere, including using squadrons of air tanker potentially based in the Arctic to protect the polar ice cap."
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    There was a study done in the aftermath of 911 when all air craft were grounded. Seems the the contrails do affect the atmosphere. The more condensation that creates the clouds causes a drop in earth temps due to the reflection of sunlight on the cloud tops. Multiple readings from around the country seemed to support the theory.
    If you want someone to blame, I guess it would be the Wright brothers. If you want blue skies and normal cloud patterns you'd have to go back to pre 1901.
    When desert camping So of I-10 in So Cal east of Palm Springs, the cross hatch pattern of air craft flying East-West, North-South makes for interesting viewing. Kinda pretty sometimes!
    The real conspiracy folks would put in the same venue as crop circles....thus the tin hats!
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    ( Kinda pretty sometimes!) http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/sc...limate.html?hp


    For some folks, when things don't fall in line with one's narrow little viewpoint the next thing is to call names and bring out the generalization labels..... Here, since your in California, this will give you something else to ignore... http://www.waterplan.water.ca.gov/do...ol2/v2ch14.pdf Seems they been doing it since the 50's...
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    having made many a contrail (and no chemtrails) I'd say that the thing that has changed is GPS.

    In the old days you followed radio navigation signals to the crossing points for the airways and everyone was going to be a bit off one way or another. Now the GPS linked to the autopilot keeps everyone on the nearly exact flight path. So as one plane's contrail dissipates another one comes along flying the exact path to replace it.

    That is, on the days/times where the "con level" is at the right altitude. It varies with the weather.
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    "All you have to do is start watching the skies. Educate yourself. Yes, there are contrails. These ain't them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadpizza View Post
    "All you have to do is start watching the skies. Educate yourself. Yes, there are contrails. These ain't them."

    http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrail_101.html
    From the above web site:

    This white, unmarked K-135 was photographed
    in the act by Phil Marie, Sr.
    Brilliant white, unmarked jets are currently
    reported as those most often seen Chem spraying.

    I do wonder a bit why the caption doesn't have a photo of this type of plane. But, white KC-135s went out of the inventory a very long time ago. And no, no matter what color they are they aren't set up to spray chemicals. I spent quite a few years in the KC world and the only thing that they can "spray" is fuel when they are dumping as in an emergency when they need to quickly get light enough to make a landing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadpizza View Post
    "All you have to do is start watching the skies. Educate yourself. Yes, there are contrails. These ain't them."

    http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrail_101.html
    From the above web site:

    This white, unmarked K-135 was photographed
    in the act by Phil Marie, Sr.
    Brilliant white, unmarked jets are currently
    reported as those most often seen Chem spraying.

    I do wonder a bit why the caption doesn't have a photo of this type of plane. But, white KC-135s went out of the inventory a very long time ago. And no, no matter what color they are they aren't set up to spray chemicals. I spent quite a few years in the KC world and the only thing that they can "spray" is fuel when they are dumping as in an emergency when they need to quickly get light enough to make a landing.
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    Interesting articles about the Chem rather can Con trails. I remember hearing about the cloud seeding in the past. Never thought it really did much good. Maybe there is a way to heat the mid Pacific to replicate the El Nino effect instead.
    If these efforts had been effective in the past, Lake Powell wouldn't be a mud hole.
    Something for every one I guess. Where's that other sock anyway?

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    This thread is a chem trail...
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    Seriously Phil, use your head.

    If some evil-doer was interested in dosing us with some chemical, don't you think that (unless they were colossally stupid evil-doers) they'd chose the simplest, cheapest AND most effective way of doing that? And here's a clue: flying airplanes up at 40,000 feet isn't simple, cheap, nor is it effective in the least. Just off the top of my head, I'd say that driving a van through population centers with a tank of whatever substance you imagine they're supposedly using, routed through the tailpipe would be more effective by a factor of about a billion. And you could do that with one or two evil-doers, as opposed to a cabal of hundreds or thousands.

    Which brings me to the secrecy factor. Do you think it's even remotely possible that all the flight crews, people at the service facilities, loaders, mechanics, secretaries fer Chrissakes, could all be kept from blabbing to anyone, for perpetuity? If our government are the evil-doers, it's been shown again and again that they can't keep a secret to save their lives. So who are these secretive and dedicated evil-doers, aliens? And why didn't these aliens give any thought at all to the cost/benefit ratio of their enterprise?

    As to your claim that the clouds in the sky today look suspiciously different than the clouds of your childhood, or that they dissipate slower than those clouds of yore did. Do you have any actual proof of that? Some time-lapse images, say? No, I didn't think so. Is it perhaps possible that you've allowed yourself to be convinced of this slower dissipation rate without any data whatsoever to prove this fact (other than the fruits--or should I say nuts--of your fevered imagination)? Nah, couldn't be, right? You KNOW that the clouds dissipate slower!

    Really?

    Right (backing away slowly).

    You have an active imagination, I'll give you that, Phil. But your critical reasoning skills could use a little tune up.

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    I knew what I was getting into when I started this thread... as I felt very much the same as you till I spent some time watching the patterns and the effects over a period of time. Basically I'm asking to be more aware over this Summer and make your own conclusions after some time looking. It is easy to refute something that you have not spent some time researching on your own. I'll not insult you one way or the other on your findings.
    The links I placed are not mine but, can give a reflection of material both good and bad on the subject. There are time lapsed video's made here in Oregon if you search.....
    Myself, I think it has more to do with weather control and an effort to bring more rains inland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodWorks View Post
    Seriously Phil, use your head.


    You have an active imagination, I'll give you that, Phil. But your critical reasoning skills could use a little tune up.

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    As I was saying.....
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    Sigh.

    The theory and logic behind chemtrails is as valid as the "proof" that global warming is a myth based on the recent east coast snowstorms. In fact, the snowstorms are actually proof OF global climate change. Its just that people don't understand what "global warming" is (the fact that the global climate is unquestionably getting warmer, not the cause of said change)...and because of that ignorance, they create a convenient explanation that fits their point of view. Same goes for contrails. If those who believe in 'chemtrails' spent as much time learning about contrails (and meteorology), they might actually understand what they're looking at.

    Sadly, as is the case with most conspiracy theories, 'chemtrails' is a case of people only seeing what they want to see, and only believing what the want to believe. There is SOOO much flawed logic being circulated by uneducated minds to support that idea that any shred of reality (could seeding exists, for instance) simply gets lost in the shuffle.

    I guess in the end it gives people something to believe in. I suppose in that respect, its no less valid than one's choice in religion, politics, or general lifestyle.

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    Actually I have not ignored the sites and data on contrails. Also have not been keen to ignore meteorology involved. In fact, that has brought me around to the possibility of something else going on. I have spoken to people who have lived most their lives on the Colombia River and with little impute from me, they have stated their own observations of this phenomena.

    As far as "global warming" goes I believe that this may be an attempt to slow the processes involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadpizza View Post
    Actually I have not ignored the sites and data on contrails. Also have not been keen to ignore meteorology involved.
    Unfortunately, the reality of these statments is in direct conflict with your opinion on what you believe to be chemtrails. For instance, had you actually studied the mechanics of contrails and the Situations indicitive of high altitude weather, you would easily be able to dismiss virtually all--if not every piece of photographic chemtrail existence.

    The ability to say something on the Internet does not in any way validate the content of what is said. Such is the case with the chemtrail conspiracy and, sadly, such is the case with your statements I quoted.

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    I refer you to HR2977...

    Your self righteous indignation must be quite a satisfaction to you and give you much comfort. Believe what you wish, as that is the only thing you could do.
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    HR2977? Its a bill focused on space weapons, with barely a mention of "chemtrails".

    Look, I'm sorry you don't understand how contrails work. I'm sorry you don't understand how weather functions at high altitudes. I'm sorry you are insulted that your personal photos of "chemtrails" are obvious contrails. I'm sorry you feel righteous in insulting others, then take it personally when it happens to you.

    I invite you to educate yourself. For real.

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    Care to refute any of the arguments I raised against your premise, Phil? Just one? They're pretty simple arguments, after all.

    Seriously, how about the hundreds or thousands of people involved in this this vast conspiracy of yours who can apparently keep their mouths shut about it? About all those big, four-engine airplanes. All those stored chemicals somewhere, and the equipment to spread it. All the suppliers. All the support personnel. The money trail. Do you really believe that, Phil? Really? No one anywhere has asked any questions? No one?

    Explain how that's possible, please. How Fox News or some other tabloid "news" organization hasn't managed to get a single one of these evil-doers to spill the beans for big bucks. Because big bucks would most definitely be in the offing if your amazing theory had one misty molecule of credibility. And it would be splashed all over the major networks and newspapers if even a single one of them came out from behind your vapor curtain.

    I'm very interested in reading your explanation, if you can cobble one up. It ought to be entertaining, in a way. Because I'm astounded that any rational human can buy into this theory, given the chance to consider it for more than 15 seconds.

    My suspicion is, though, that you'll pass on this golden opportunity to enlighten us all. But if I'm wrong, please, no links to even more "advanced thinkers." No illuminati websites. No YouTube videos. I'd like to hear you explain it in your own words, if you can. I want the "truth," as only you can conjure it.

    I expect to be disappointed. But please, go ahead and surprise me.

    No really, you are seemingly capable of wrapping your head around the most extravagant contradictions. You should run for Congress.

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    Barely is not mentioning it at all...


    I understand how a normal contrail works, that is why I can see the obvious difference. And it is quite obvious once you've seen both. The morning of the pictures were taken began with a clear blue sky and no wind and the upper level winds were mild. Namely a nice sunny day was forecast. Then the planes came in droves. And continued till the spreading trails covered the entire sky leaving a haze that lasted all day. It is not only the trails left it is the amount of planes involved that makes it unusual. I think it is you that needs to do the study or continue to stick you head in the sand.

    "In 1999, 550 citizens of Espanola, Ontario, brought a petition before the Canadian Parliament asking the Canadian government to stop the U.S. military from spraying. Town residents said the spray appeared to be making people sick. At a public meeting on chemtrails, the Ontario Minister of Environment refused to release air quality findings for Espanola. Unlike our island neighbors to the south, no government has interceded to protect North Americans from the US military aerosol campaign."


    Faux news? Give me a break...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodWorks View Post
    Care to refute any of the arguments I raised against your premise, Phil? Just one? They're pretty simple arguments, after all.

    Seriously, how about the hundreds or thousands of people involved in this this vast conspiracy of yours who can apparently keep their mouths shut about it? About all those big, four-engine airplanes. All those stored chemicals somewhere, and the equipment to spread it. All the suppliers. All the support personnel. The money trail. Do you really believe that, Phil? Really? No one anywhere has asked any questions? No one?

    Explain how that's possible, please. How Fox News or some other tabloid "news" organization hasn't managed to get a single one of these evil-doers to spill the beans for big bucks. Because big bucks would most definitely be in the offing if your amazing theory had one misty molecule of credibility. And it would be splashed all over the major networks and newspapers if even a single one of them came out from behind your vapor curtain.

    I'm very interested in reading your explanation, if you can cobble one up. It ought to be entertaining, in a way. Because I'm astounded that any rational human can buy into this theory, given the chance to consider it for more than 15 seconds.

    My suspicion is, though, that you'll pass on this golden opportunity to enlighten us all. But if I'm wrong, please, no links to even more "advanced thinkers." No illuminati websites. No YouTube videos. I'd like to hear you explain it in your own words, if you can. I want the "truth," as only you can conjure it.

    I expect to be disappointed. But please, go ahead and surprise me.

    No really, you are seemingly capable of wrapping your head around the most extravagant contradictions. You should run for Congress.

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    Sorry to be a smartass ! But hell anything is possible Area51 had real live aliens.............
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodWorks View Post
    I'm astounded that any rational human can buy into this theory, given the chance to consider it for more than 15 seconds.
    That, my friend, is the problem. Its difficult to have a discussion with someone who refuses to use rational logic. One could offer a many faceted explanation to RP's "sunny day" experience, but he will refuse to accept whatever is said, so long as it contradicts what he believes.

    Again, RP, all I can ask is that you please, PLEASE spend some time learning how aircraft engines work, and how and why they produce contrails. Please do some research on high altitude weather and weather patterns, and while you're at it, please make an attempt to understand air traffic patterns--when and why planes fly where they do, at what altitudes, etc. I'd even suggest you learn to spot aircraft. You can say you understand all you want, but you and I both know that's actually not true. I understand its the internet and everyone wants to posture, so nobody expects you to back down, but its worth a shot...

    Then, when you're all done, do some ACTUAL research on cloud seeding, not what some small minded kook on the internet wants to to believe.

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    Tom, I thank you!
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    Sheesh! If Al Gore is involved IT MUST BE TRUE!!
    If all this crap were true...how come CA and the west is DRY? Wouldn't it be in our country's best interest to make it rain in those areas if we could? Or is that opening up some other gubment conspiracy?
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    Let's see......Nope, Al Gore wasn't mentioned....nor do I believe you read much of this thread. If it comforts you to go on like this, have at it, as it is kind of fun watching the reactions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadpizza View Post
    Tom, I thank you!
    Thanks for showing us that ignorance truly is bliss.

    Again, I invite you to combat your lack of basic understanding of contrails with some actual edumacation. Really, a 101-type knowledge is all one needs to quickly dismiss a clip like the "ultimate proof" linked above. I won't try to refute it with facts, because you'll simply ignore them or make up some other emotional rebuttal. Hence the reason I urge you to seek out the facts for yourself.

    Hell, even wiki has a "chemtrail conspiracy" page with basic info and links.

    We do agree on one thing though--reactions to reality in this thread are rather amusing.

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    Let's see......Nope, Al Gore wasn't mentioned....nor do I believe you read much of this thread. If it comforts you to go on like this, have at it, as it is kind of fun watching the reactions.
    Don't have to have Big Al mentioned. Who do you think is narrating the History Channel video? Ding, ding, ding! Survey says! Number one answer!
    And yes I did read the thread. And my brain works in logic, not fantastical ImSureahhhhs. Wanna accuse someone/gubment of this? Try to take them to a court of law with THIS evidence. Why hasn't that happened, by the way?
    There much more pressing things, causes, and problems to fret over than CONTRAILS from airplanes. Have fun with it.

    Bxr140...here is a nice link to explain it for others that don't know how contrails work...so they know (or don't want to look)
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    and here with some pics from 1969! HERE. Not to mention, videos of the Memphis Belle in 1944 and Contrails through history, that go into the 40's.
    Enough on that...I have a life to live..barium soaked or not.
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    Beats me, chief - Sounds like a lot of marijuana-induced paranoid craziness to me. Either that, or it's the work of pathological weirdos, or perhaps some murderers from McBurgers.

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    OK, I have some time on my hands and was looking back at some old threads. So old that many here on the site will not know of them and those that were around and are still here may not….LOL

    Anyways, I'd thought I'd update this one……

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    So, have at it nay-sayers…..LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadpizza View Post
    OK, I have some time on my hands and was looking back at some old threads. So old that many here on the site will not know of them and those that were around and are still here may not….LOL

    Anyways, I'd thought I'd update this one……

    http://yournewswire.com/top-scientis...rails-is-real/
    Was that "top scientist" funded by Donald Trump?
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    Ditto what you said!

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