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    Something to look forward to? A newer more powerful, heavier, more technical and most importantly...more expensive! OOH-Rah!

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    I liked one of the comments. On the photographer's website, it makes it sound like he sneaks around to get these photos in the dark of night like a spy. The comment said they bet he is on BMW's speed dial.

    I too wonder where this will go. When the bike comes out, will I have to look down to the engine to see if I have a R1200GSA or F850GSA? The designs seem to be coming together for size and weight. If people realize that 95 hp is more than enough to get down the road and take the bike off road too...will it hurt R1200GSA sales? Or if it is priced so close to the R1200GSA, will the F850GSA not sell? Hmmm...

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    When you figure the ST I got in 2008 was supposedly $10300 or so, with the saddlebags and extended warranty I paid 16.5 bucks out the door.
    With having to purchase things like centerstands now and just the increase of prices in general a fully packaged bike might be pushing 20 grand. The 1200GS is probably closer to 30K$

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    What concerns me is that the new 750/850 models are apparently quite heavy. The 850GS is claimed to weigh 520 pounds (I assume without any factory options), which is what BMW claims for my R1200RS. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the new Adventurer will weigh as much as an R1200GS. That is kind of scary.
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    I think the only differential would be whether the person buying the bike would keep it on the road or take it off the pavement. Sadly, it seems that BMW (and other adventure bike manufacturers as well) isn't really listening to those who've voiced their opinions regarding the weight. It would even seem to me that weight savings would be the one single biggest factor that would help get the best out of the adventure bikes, instead they keep gaining weight.

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    Is it just me or do the spy shots show very little ground clearance? If it’s lower like the F850GS is compared to the F800GS I guess that makes sense, but the distance from bash plate to top of the tank looks enormous. They’re just grainy shots of a possible pre-production bike but to me it looks just like a Triumph Tiger. My concern for the new models is that they seem be losing a bit of the individual design that initially attracted to me, as well as the relatively simple and tough design. I love the F800GSA for its true 300 mile range and light, easy handling. More weight and sophistication may be market forces but I’m 99% happy with my F800GSA and am not looking for dynamic esa nor keyless ride, thanks!

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    I am still trying to understand how relocating the fuel tank from the area under the seat, where you don't need to remove a tank bag to refill and where the weight is lower and better distributed, to a location higher on the bike, where it will affect handling more, is such a good idea. And to add insult to injury, they make the fuel tank smaller. About the only positive I can think of is that the fuel gauge will probably be more accurate.
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    We've had some local flooding and I ride right through it, standing on my pegs! I'm having a blast standing on my pegs, pretending I'm riding a GS! Water comes flying up in a big "V" wetting down the front of my riding pants and boots.

    Hey, it's cool! And I save some money with my new-found GT/GS.

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    Here is the latest news regarding the F850GS Adventure, as well as the F750GS/F850GS models: http://www.motorcycle.com/mini-featu...-epa-2019.html
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    Hmm i like i like

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    From the report: "BMW claims the F850GS produces 100.6 hp at 8250 rpm (the F750GS is electronically restricted to 76.4 hp) but the EPA’s certification document rates the engine at 88.5 hp at 8000 rpm"

    Marketing dept seems to have gotten involved. With the weight gain they seem to be chasing the Tenere.
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    "Extremely powerful and emotional sound,"

    Lordy knows a powerful sound make the bike go mo fasterest. Emotional to say the least. Makes you cry for every thousand dollars this thing will cost you.

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    Both bikes look great to me. Just glad to see BMW plowing R&D into the f series bikes. Recognizable to predecessors, but clearly a clean sheet redesign. Can't wait to hear that emotional sound.

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    I'm kind of heading the other direction. I would like something a bit lighter. I am even thinking of shedding the jesse luggage I have for just a drybag strapped to the back.

    After picking the 800 up a few times when I was out "adventuring" saving a few pounds seems like a good idea to me. I'm pretty interested in the KTM 700ish adventure that is coming in 2019 based on the Duke I guess.

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    [QUOTE=notacop;2737674]"Extremely powerful and emotional sound,"

    Ha! My Guzzi V11 LeMans had a 270/450 crank and with the Mistrals it had an Extremely powerful and emotional sound.
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    So the current 800 engine is made by Rotax (in Austria?) and this new 850 engine is a pretty major redesign and made in China? Is that correct?

    So will there be a price reduction since BMW will be saving money on the engine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by usedtobefast View Post
    So the current 800 engine is made by Rotax (in Austria?) and this new 850 engine is a pretty major redesign and made in China? Is that correct?

    So will there be a price reduction since BMW will be saving money on the engine?
    That is my take on the 850 series. No doubt BMW will be saving money by having many components manufactured in Asia. Just don't hold your breath waiting for any savings to be passed on to the customer, especially the early adopters who will get the fully factory-farkled "launch" models.
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    Don't you just love the rewards of a global economy. I doubt that BMW and Germany will be offering their USA customers any "deals" anytime soon. Especially, given the current political/economic climate in both countries! No doubt that the new models will offer bigger, better, faster.... than the previous models. Hoping to pay less for more? Good luck with that. Every year, there will be price creep. The manufacturers will always offer updates. Hey, the 850/750 GS models are a big redesign. Will they have the 12 year run of the previous models? Time will tell. My guess is that the bikes will sell, as there are many customers still seeking a middle weight bike with off road capabilities. I am glad that the concept lives.

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    here, in Europe, BMW recalls nearly all the F850 and the F750 already sold and stops the selling of those models because they have a "problem" with a component of the engine (but they doesn't explain which problem is). BMW offers a new bike for the entire period they will keep the bikes or a considerable offer in clothings or accessories (for more than a thousand of euros, 1,500 if I'm not wrong), this offer let us suppose that the problem is more serious than we might think.


    why BMW make bikes and always (and I point: always) recalls them? do you think that is serious, considering the high price of their bikes?
    surely if you buy a BMW you have guaranteed the access to the most exclusive club of... losers, for which you pay a very high fee.


    obviously if you buy a K1600 for more than 25,000 € those problems don't exist... another point to the seriousness of that factory, the european excellence!


    meanwhile HD and Indian (the American excellence) are going to move to Europe to avoid the european custom duties in response to the Trump's custom duties on steel and aluminum. I hope that they will raise the fotune of our poor bike industries... but I'm afraid that once they will be here, they will adegate their standards to ours.


    p.s. Trump said that if HD will reduce the production in America to go to Europe they will be overwhelm of taxes, and there is someone else ready to take their place... who?
    one more time the vision of the history (in that case the motorcycle history) of Trump is very... peculiar.
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    It could be my imagination, but it sure seems like BMW has been rushing their new models to the market before they are thoroughly tested in the field by their engineers during the past 10 or 15 years, or so. They are leaving their first adopter customers to sort the bikes out for them and when things really go sideways, the pull the bikes back and start shelling out money to their customers while they fix whatever it was that went wrong and should have been fixed before the bikes left the factory. I still can't believe that 2013 RT recall rear shock fiasco that resulted in a lot of very unhappy customers and huge costs by BMW to sort out the problem.

    Since the F850-series engines are being made in China, perhaps BMW didn't have enough German engineers keeping an eye on quality control at the factory on Mondays and Fridays.
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    The latest issue of the BMW Magazine contains a comparison of the F800GS and the F850GS. The two bikes seem to be pretty close when it comes to power and performance. A dyno chart was included in the article which showed almost no difference between the old and new bikes. I just scanned the article on the Barnes and Noble bookstore quickly, but I did notice that the new model weighs 50 pounds more than the older version. I seem to recall a mention in the article that the F800GS got better fuel mileage than the F850GS, but that, along with the performance figures, was not shown that way in the specification chart, which seems to have been copied from official BMW information, so it might be suspect. The specification chart showed the new bike getting better mileage and having a higher top speed than the 800 version.
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    Raises the question.... Why bother? A 50 pound weight gain is a huge issue in my opinion. I wonder where that weight is located. Without looking, I'm guessing the 850 is getting darn close to the R1200GS in weight with much less power and probably a more top heavy feel. Spousal Unit has both a F800GS and a R1200GS and says she feels much more confident on the 1200 in slow speed maneuvers.
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    My recollection is that most of the weight gain is located in the cast steel frame. Interestingly, they also compared the new bike with the R1200GS, and even included its power and torque curves in the dyno chart showing the power curves for the 800 and 850cc models. I think they were trying to make a point or two regarding the three BMW GS models, but I didn't read the entire article and just kind of skimmed over the high points.
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    I'm curious to know something more about the G310RR, the new little BMW sport bike which seems to be made for the asiatic market (but also for the europeans, who become much more poor day by day).
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    I haven't heard of the G310RR, but the parts manager at my BMW shop recently bought a G310R and said he loves the bike. However, he did say that the suspension is too soft and needs to be beefed up a bit as it really dives when you brake hard.
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    maybe the suspensions of the sport model will be a bit better, being the bike meant for "high performances".
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    I collected my F850GS sport yesterday.
    Fitted above clocks satnav and top box today.

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    Since I seem to be locked out of my own thread regarding the new F850GS at the moment, check out this price for this new model and it isn't even the "Adventure" version. :
    http://files.homepagemodules.de/b797...188/c4984d.png
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