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    Now the F900R and XR have been introduced, BMW Motorrad has stopped selling the F800GT in the Netherlands. Probably only selling out the stock.
    So, definitely no upgrade of the belt-driven F-bike?

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    I think belt-drive is dead at BMW for now. Maybe they will change their minds in the future?
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    I take a little longer view of things. For years, I've heard people praise the Honda PC800. It has almost a cult following. The bike went out of production back in 1998. Just because the bike went out of production, doesn't mean it quit working. Or that people don't recognize how good it was. There are faster bikes out there, and better handling bikes. But that bike has a lot going for it, even now, 22 years later.

    The F800GT went out of production. You could look at the F900XR as being the successor. But is it really? Or is it just another motorcycle entirely, much like if I was looking at the Yamaha Tracer GT or the Ducati Multistrada 950? If I was seriously considering those bikes, I'd toss the F900XR into the mix. Those are really "Adventure/touring" more than "Sport/touring" IMHO. Would the R1250RS be a closer successor to the F800GT? Neither the F900XR or the R1250RS are exactly what you would consider to be the successor to the GT in the way the GT was the successor to the ST. With the ST ==> GT, you could see the transition clearly. Now it is more muddled. It's more like, I want something different. What's out there to consider?

    As I said in another thread, James (jtvision) and I went to look at a nearby 2016 F800GT. It was selling for about $7K and only had about 2000 miles. I think you'll find deals like that for years to come. Airplane manufacturers have realized for years that their competitors are not just Boeing vs Airbus, but Boeing vs Airbus vs the used airplane supply. And I think you are seeing the same thing today in motorcycles.

    Yeah, I'd like to get cornering ABS and traction control. But at what cost? I'm blessed in that I can afford to buy whatever I want...assuming the wife goes along with it. But I also look at the value I'm getting for my money. And trading in my GT for @$5500, then spending another $10-12,000 for the new bike, plus @$3000 for accessories and mods...and then losing in the depreciation as soon as I sign the paperwork. Yes, I can afford it...but is it smart? Not really.

    And for that reason, while I like the new F900XR and I'm looking forward to the comparison reviews...I'll probably not buy one ever. I expect that as I get older, I'll appreciate all the features of the F800GT even more than I do now. When I was considering buying the GT a couple years ago, I was thinking that not only was it the best bike at the time, but it would also be exactly what I'd be looking to find when I got older and wanted something lighter than what I had at the time.

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    I'm going to be 75 next year and each season I get less comfortable riding. (Physically & mentally) Right now I feel that the GT will be my last bike. That's open to change as we all say never say never . . . . But if the GT is indeed my last bike, I saved the best for last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildWilly View Post
    I'm going to be 75 next year and each season I get less comfortable riding. (Physically & mentally) Right now I feel that the GT will be my last bike. That's open to change as we all say never say never . . . . But if the GT is indeed my last bike, I saved the best for last.
    Do you have specific issues Willy, that are making you feel this way at age 74? I'm going to be 73 in a few months, and a 300-mile day on the RR is still pretty easy for me. I'm hoping that doesn't change. The GT is a piece of cake and comfortable. Based on all the windscreen mods you've done, I'd say you still have many seasons of riding left, without problems. Keep moving, eat well, exercise a lot and think young!

    Sorry to see the belt-drive GT production end. If I need a new bike in this class in the future, it'll probably be the 1250 RS. I test rode one and the only flaw I saw was the windscreen (arrrrggghhhh....not THAT issue!)...it was noisier than the GT...but it can be replaced. I will say this...the RS is beautifully balanced.

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    Do you have specific issues Willy, that are making you feel this way at age 74? I'm going to be 73 in a few months, and a 300-mile day on the RR is still pretty easy for me. I'm hoping that doesn't change. The GT is a piece of cake and comfortable. Based on all the windscreen mods you've done, I'd say you still have many seasons of riding left, without problems. Keep moving, eat well, exercise a lot and think young!

    Sorry to see the belt-drive GT production end. If I need a new bike in this class in the future, it'll probably be the 1250 RS. I test rode one and the only flaw I saw was the windscreen (arrrrggghhhh....not THAT issue!)...it was noisier than the GT...but it can be replaced. I will say this...the RS is beautifully balanced.
    Several health issues and arthritis is advancing. I average 6,000 miles a year on a bicycle and I'm in pretty good shape considering the damage I did in my youth. . . . I have several friends that were severely injured on a motorcycle this year. That is my mental discomfort while riding. Everyone has to reach that individual decision as a committee of one. Thank you for asking.
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    I admire your getting in 6K miles a year on the bicycle, Bill. That is awesome. Inspires me to to get my butt out more. I love my bicycles and riding - just that they compete for time with work,chores, family and motorcycles. That being said, i have been much more diligent about the stationary bike in recent months which always translates to more miles on the bicycle when the weather breaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildWilly View Post
    Several health issues and arthritis is advancing. I average 6,000 miles a year on a bicycle and I'm in pretty good shape considering the damage I did in my youth. . . . I have several friends that were severely injured on a motorcycle this year. That is my mental discomfort while riding. Everyone has to reach that individual decision as a committee of one. Thank you for asking.
    Not to turn this into a "health" thread, but arthritis is something that can often be reduced/reversed with dietary change. Our society eats a lot of processed foods and a more "primal" diet has been shown to greatly reduce the inflammation caused by foods that we were never meant to consume. Is your diet good?

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    .......I average 6,000 miles a year on a bicycle and I'm in pretty good shape .......
    Just wondering Willy if you feel the same about the bicycle? Do you see yourself getting off two wheels all together or do you see yourself stopping motorcycles but keep on bicycling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGD109 View Post
    Just wondering Willy if you feel the same about the bicycle? Do you see yourself getting off two wheels all together or do you see yourself stopping motorcycles but keep on bicycling?
    Bicycling is gradually slowing in miles and speed but I actually feel better the day after riding than I do the day after not riding. As a result I ride at least 5 days a week. Back in the day I rode 10,000 miles a year. I'm in an area with great paths and don't have to sweat motor vehicles. I refer to bicycling as my M & M meditation. Mindless Movement.
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    I apologize for turning this thread into a two wheeled non motorized rumination. Frank, I also feel the belt drive F series is gone, but so thankful I have mine.
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    Congrats on riding a bicycle, around my neighborhood it as dangerous or more so than a motorcycle! My street bicycle is feeling lonely.

    Today was in the BMW store and looked at a R1250RS and thought hummmm that might work. I'm with Daboo as the F800GT is a great bike and there are good clean examples out there for great prices. I've enjoyed having the security of a warranty - runs out next spring but for the $1,500 I spent on a service package I could have bought all the supplies and a 911 code reader thing. I do find the new bike intriguing so will have to wait and see if it comes to the US and what the price is. I'm at 23,500 miles so still have some time to ponder. I figure at 45,000 to 50,000 I'll be thinking about something with fewer miles for setting out on a 6,000 mile adventure. The F900XR might be a good bike to ride to Alaska so that is something that appeals to me. Like the belt but not the risk of gravel damage.

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    I'm at 49,000 miles and still on the original belt, FWIW. At one time, I'd be very leery at having a motorcycle reach that many miles. But we have one member who reached about 150,000 miles on his F800GS before trading it in on a F850GS. And there are some others who have reached 100,000 miles with little maintenance required. This bike simply is reliable.

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    I might get the opportunity to switch bikes with my son, he rides an F800GSA and is considering to buy an S1000XR. As the F800GSA is a much taller bike and I am 185 cm (6'1"), this would fit a bit better. However, the smooth drive and belt drive of the GT keeps me from switching....

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    I recently traded my 2013 GT for a new [one of the last] GT because I had already gathered from the web and dealer that the new bike very likely to not meet my requirement criteria.
    Yesterday, I viewed the 900XR and 900R at bike show held at NEC, Birmingham, UK.
    The 900 XR is branded in Adventure category, not Tourer as was GT.
    Mysteriously, on the information boards next to both bikes, the engine performance data had been obliterated with tape!
    Build quality looks good but some weird features. The front mudguard is very very significantly shorter than the GT ---- clean roads only!
    The R was displayed with very small panniers ---- certainly not for touring. I asked BMW reps if the same panniers applied to XR and, after a lengthy wait, was informed they would fit but larger panniers may become available for XR.
    Both bikes fitted with pillion passenger grab handles but no luggage rack as per GT. I didn't get an answer when asked if rack / top cases would be available.
    Visit confirmed my fears of last 12 months ---- the XR is not a GT replacement. Happy I captured one of the last GT's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildWilly View Post
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    Just wondering Willy if you feel the same about the bicycle? Do you see yourself getting off two wheels all together or do you see yourself stopping motorcycles but keep on bicycling?
    Bicycling is gradually slowing in miles and speed but I actually feel better the day after riding than I do the day after not riding. As a result I ride at least 5 days a week. Back in the day I rode 10,000 miles a year. I'm in an area with great paths and don't have to sweat motor vehicles. I refer to bicycling as my M & M meditation. Mindless Movement.
    You're my inspiration, logging 6K in Iowa, where theres a winter. Good job! I manage about 4-5K here in AZ where theres no excuse other than too much sun sometimes, lol. I also feel much better the next day, but I alternate riding days and walk or work in the yard in between. It all counts for something I believe.
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    You think it is bad seeing the end of the GT model? How do you think I feel about the upcoming end of the Royal Enfield 500cc single production? Those darn emission regulations and relatively poor Indian sales of that model are killing the poor lump: https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors...ry/390688.html
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    I believe we are going to see the end of any motorcycle with a carb......it is likely that only fuel injected engines can meet the new emission standards.

    The Suzuki LS650/S40 appears to have gone out of production, as it is not shown on the Suzuki website for 2020. The Savage was in production from 1986 - 2019........33 years!

    Some of the motorcycle with carbs that have been sold have been pretty finicky with the super lean mixtures - the Kawasaki 250 Super Sherpa I had was famous for requiring a 10 minute warm up before you could even think about riding it.....attempting to ride away with a cold engine resulted in "cough" and the engine would die. There was a cure called the "Dr. Jeckyl" jet change, and it made the bike run like is was supposed to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumpin View Post
    I believe we are going to see the end of any motorcycle withe a carb......
    Always assumed that was the case already in the UK with any new bike but just my assumption.

    Love the simplicity of the R80's Bings, untill she dumps a load of fuel on my boot. Then stink of petrol for the next day or two.




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    My 2011 Royal Enfield has closed-loop fuel injection, air injection, carbon canister, and a large muffler with a catalytic converter and apparently it still can't meet the latest Indian emission regulations without a complete redesign, which would likely include water cooling. Euro 5 is really going to take a performance hit on new models that will likely require a larger displacement to get back the power lost to the new emission requirements. And I don't even want to think about Euro 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildWilly View Post
    I'm going to be 75 next year and each season I get less comfortable riding. (Physically & mentally) Right now I feel that the GT will be my last bike. That's open to change as we all say never say never . . . . [IMG class=inlineimg]https://f800riders.org/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif[/IMG] But if the GT is indeed my last bike, I saved the best for last.
    Yes, I agree WildWilly. The GT is a great way to ride off into the sunset!

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    The new F900 bikes comply to emission norm Euro5, power/displacement ratio is even higher than for the F850GS (Euro4), so higher emission requirements do not reduce power....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankV View Post
    The new F900 bikes comply to emission norm Euro5, power/displacement ratio is even higher than for the F850GS (Euro4), so higher emission requirements do not reduce power....
    But the trend is to make the engine displacements larger and the bikes heavier to produce that increased power and (I assume) to cut the cost of production at the same time to accommodate the additional components needed to meet the new emission requirements. For my taste in motorcycles the trend to make them heavier, more complex, with smaller fuel tanks, more expensive, and with less components that can be serviced and maintained by the garage mechanic, is going in the wrong direction for me.

    Personally, I have more fun riding a simple and light motorcycle, like my F650GS. I find my R1200RS to be a nice bike while touring on a freeway, but it is a pig while riding on the tight back roads that I prefer to ride on and when trying to push around while I am off the bike. The new R1250 models are even heavier, and of course more expensive.
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    I agree with the pleasures or riding lighter midweights. Yesterday was a brisk (but warm for mid-November in NJ) but sunny day and I met a friend for a ride. I took the Sertao which is about 48-50 raging horsepower. It was a pleasure riding with its (relatively) light weight in spite of its HP deficits. On the road, I never felt the need for more in yesterday's setting.

    I have ridden my brother's Street Glides and Road Kings and I sincerely find the weight annoying after about three minutes. I rented a GS about 10 years ago in Colorado. I found it too heavy and tall. Perhaps a lower seat would have changed my feelings. I probably should test one to to experience. I imagine if I were doing week-plus trips it would be great (as would an RT), but for every day I prefer the light weight of my current bikes.
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    I rode my GT out to a half-way house for drug addicts and alcoholics where I teach the Bible each Thursday morning. The temperature was down to 29F. It still brought a smile to my face. Last night, I rode it to and from church for a Life Group meeting. It had warmed up some, but was still cool at 35F by the time I got home. I was thinking how great it felt to ride the GT. I can get out of the chill by tucking in behind that fairing, that's minimal but works. It's light. I don't want to seem like a jerk on the road, but it is hard to not twist the throttle and feel the bike leap out and respond to your every thought. I parked the bike in a parking stall at a local park where I met a friend for a walk. The spot was downward facing and I decided to push it out. The thought occurred to me that I was pushing @ 500 lbs of bike, bags and junk I carry around...yet it was effortless.

    As I look back on that paragraph above, I realized that I was riding my GT throughout the day. Nothing exciting, like a trip down the Washington coast, but little trips here and there. And I enjoyed every minute of it.

    Why would I want to get rid of a bike that brings me that much pleasure?

    Chris
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    Totally agree on the desire for a light weight bike. LOL I thought I was getting a heavy bike when I got the F800GT 470 pounds without sidecases! It has very pleasantly surprised my as it is a very easy bike to balance, not as top heavy as my sport bikes even though it has an extra 45 pounds. Fully loaded for a long trip I can tell it weights more but as Daboo says it is still easy to push around. I prefer twisty side roads but it has seen many miles of interstate as well. Again it has enough power to run current interstate speeds anywhere I've been. It is lighter than some of the big touring bikes but Ive never felt excessively pushed around on it and it has seen a lot of wind, rain and trucks. Around here it is not uncommon to encounter trucks running 75 to 80 MPH. I rode 250 miles yesterday - went to Scottsboro Alabama to visit the Unclaimed Baggage Center. If you ever wonder what happens when the airline looses you luggage? They really don't loose it, it is just misplaced! Well it winds up at the unclaimed baggage store. My service indicator came up and now will have the 24,000 mile service done and the belt replaced. Maybe the last service under warranty - still have over a year and a half left on my service agreement (unlimited mileage).

    I am firmly convinced that BMW is trying to tag onto the success they have had with the S1000XR and make the F900XR more popular than the F800GT was. I understand that a lot of police departments in Europe used them so that is a market they probably would like to keep. Don't like the weight creep and wonder how the gas tank will affect the balance of the bike. It is so nice to be able to fill up without removing the tank bag.

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    BMW claims that my R1200RS weighs 520 pounds, but I have weighed my bike on a couple of electronic scales and saw 550 pounds, before I attach my SHAD luggage boxes, a top box and then add a week's worth of camping gear. Pushing that lump around while off the bike, which weighs about 4 times what I do when loaded, is very worrisome. If it ever fell over, I doubt I could pick it up no matter what technique I used and of course replacement parts if that happens are not cheap. The fact that the side stand on the RS is so long that you have to lean the bike to the offside in order to deploy the stand, doesn't help in the least.
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    Hi, Wildwilli
    I'm 72 yo with no major health issues just a loss of strength with advancing years.
    I just bought a 2014 F800R to replace my 1994 BMW R1100R (180,000km).
    I've only had the F bike for a couple of weeks and am adjusting to the differences in the 2 bikes.
    As I hoped, the F800R is much lighter and more maneuverable at low speed and when stationary than the R1100R. However (and there is always a however) I miss the heft of the R and the way it soaks up the potholes and badly surfaced roads around where I live (the Central Coast of NSW Australia). I am also getting used to the dive in the front-end under hard braking which was obviated by the R bike's Telelever suspension. Its probably just a matter of sorting out the suspension on the F800.
    Anyhow, I'm going on a tour in March next year n Western Australia with some mates, a trip across Australia, around the south-west coast and back to the east coast, about 10,000km in all. That should let me know if this is the bike for me.
    I'll keep you posted, if anyone is interested.
    Keep the shiny side up.
    Mark

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    I sat on the f900xr at the NEC show today (at the original Birmingham, England).
    Has promise, nice adjustable screen but the example I sat on had the low seat (hard, too low).
    I spoke to the Young Lady gathering email/trying to book test rides) - she said that the bikes on show were pre-production examples and details may change when the bikes become available to order/demo ride in February.
    It has promise of being a very nice bike but a GT? Depends on the final design and perhaps what acessories become available.
    Price? We'll see. I'll go for Ł11000 basic but needing Ł3000 woeth of essential extras to make it properly useful (paniers, centerstand ... etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by msquared View Post
    ....
    Anyhow, I'm going on a tour in March next year n Western Australia with some mates, a trip across Australia, around the south-west coast and back to the east coast, about 10,000km in all. That should let me know if this is the bike for me.
    I'll keep you posted, if anyone is interested.
    Keep the shiny side up.
    Mark
    I'm interested
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    I wouldn't rely on BMW warranty, PhotoAl.
    22 months into a BMW Approved Used warranty on my F800GT my bike shop told me the steering head bearings needed replacing The dealer said my warranty would not cover the cost and this was confirmed by BMW, who said it was a "wear-and-tear" item. What? Bearings at 17,600 miles ? I don't go off-road nor ride up pavements [I think you call them sidewalks) so this was disappointing.
    I'll not buy another BMW.
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    BMW confirmed at the NEC bike show last week that there will be no more belt driven bikes from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welshman View Post

    ... 22 months into a BMW Approved Used warranty on my F800GT my bike shop told me the steering head bearings needed replacing The dealer said my warranty would not cover the cost and this was confirmed by BMW, who said it was a "wear-and-tear" item. What? Bearings at 17,600 miles....
    Bit surprised at that and understand your disappoint. For reference my previous 64 plate F800GT had new head bearings replaced twice under manufacturers warranty within 24 months.

    I'm guessing that they didn't grease them well enough in the first place or they have poor quality bearings from their suppliers.

    My R80RT broke 15 years and over 100,000 miles before I changed them.






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    Quote Originally Posted by The Welshman View Post
    ...I'll not buy another BMW...
    Me too.

    There's a thread on when will you know it is time to quit riding. That same topic has come up on other forums as well. When I was considering my GT purchase, I was thinking that this bike would work very well for the immediate touring plans I had, but also for ten years or so down the road as I near the end of my riding career.

    BMW went to a heavier taller bike in the XR. It's the direction of the bike I got rid of for the GT. I often ride with guys who have sport-touring bikes that weigh around 700 lb. I think they have great bikes...but I do everything theirs can do with my GT and I don't have the weight to deal with. I know the weight disappears when the bike gets rolling...but you still have to stop some day.

    So I won't be buying another BMW, but plan to keep what I have. Not only was it the best choice of all the bikes on the market at the time, but it is still the best choice for me, even with the arrival of newer bikes.

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    The steering bearings of both my 1997 Funduro and my 2009 F650GS notched at around 10K miles. Both sets of bearings were replaced for free under BMW's warranty. My dealer said that in both cases the bearings were not greased properly at the factory.
    Richard - Current bikes: 2016 BMW R1200RS, 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2005 Triumph T-100 Bonneville, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 (FZS1000N) and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior. 

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    Yes i just got the news of steering head bearing notched on my GT; 33k miles. Never had to do the ST, still good at 68k when i sold her. perhaps i'll try replacing 'em myself?
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    I was told that my head and front wheel bearings were on the way out at 14,000 miles. I was shocked, because I'm quite a sedate rider (no wheelies). I checked them myself and couldn't find any notchiness or play. Local Suzuki dealer checked them too and said all the bearings were fine. Very odd. Anyway, I part exchanged the bike for a newer GT (2018). Hopefully there will be no bearing issues on that.

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    right, i also checked mine and made spec adjustment. but its true right in the middle she's notched. lots a hwy miles on mine.
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    2021 BMW T1000GT: the new quintessential sport tourer sacrificing nothing but weight and with a better P:W ratio (to the rear wheel) than BMW R1250RT.

    • Engine: 948cc 118hp In-line Triple
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    • Tech: ABS Pro, Shift Assist Pro, ATC, TFT MFD, TPM
    • Comfort: Height adjustable seat, heated grips & seat, electric full height adjustable windscreen, ergonomics: see BMW RTW ;o)
    • Curb weight fully fueled w/ empty side cases: 520lbs

    Are you sure you still don't want a new BMW?

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ID:	350717Noel, I agree with you on the R18 nonsense, it's ridiculous but certainly appeals to a certain demographic.... to the extent that I have heard it may even appear on the Aus. market next year. I had an opportunity to check it out at the Villa d'Este concorzo d'eleganza in Italy in May this year.

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    Also at the Concorzo was NMoto's tribute to the unique 1934 R7 ( the only example at the rear also on show) Based on a R nine T donor bike, the "Nostalgia" is just sensational, and as you can see, it fits my shortness! $A 100K is only thing stopping me from ordering one right now and joining Jay Leno and Billy Joel in the bike appreciation stratosphere....

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