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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytotl View Post
    A discussion is fine - an arguement means both sides have fixed ideas which are unlikely to be moved.
    Not expecting an argument on a topic like climate change is like walking into an evangelical Christian church and asking to calmly discuss the pros and cons of abortion.
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    Actually, I suspect that while the Christian viewpoint on the cons of abortion would be offered, it would be calmer than you might expect.

    The one thing I would encourage everyone to remember here is that while this section of the forum allows you to express your viewpoints freely...those relationships you may damage here will follow you to the rest of the forum.

    I think the words of the OP were pretty spot on:

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    Now, now lads, decorum! I posted this thread out of my interest in the hysteria that I percieve is being wound up. ...

    A discussion is fine - an arguement means both sides have fixed ideas which are unlikely to be moved.
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    I'm all for expressing our points of view as we're exercising our true rights to free speech which to us is sacrosanct. It would be a bloody sad world if we all thought the same so I welcome different points of view, it gives me a chance to reappraise my position.
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    In California, if you don't agree with everyone, then they yell at you "shame, shame, shame" and drown out any dissenting opinions that don't conform to the liberal views of the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    Actually, I suspect that while the Christian viewpoint on the cons of abortion would be offered, it would be calmer than you might expect.

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    having been raised in an evangelical Christian household and church, I would respectfully disagree with you. And I have many Christian friends that are pro choice. Now let's get back to squabbling about climate change . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxytotl View Post
    I'm all for expressing our points of view as we're exercising our true rights to free speech which to us is sacrosanct. It would be a bloody sad world if we all thought the same so I welcome different points of view, it gives me a chance to reappraise my position.
    thank you Terry. Here in the good ole US of A, we're all for freedom of speech. As long as you agree with what is being said.
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    Back in the last century, we'd be up on top of one of the peaks in the Cascades looking towards Seattle or Tacoma and lament at how bad the pollution was getting to be. There was a brown cloud over the top of them, and we'd think back to when it wasn't that way. Well, it's been awhile since I was mountain climbing, but I suspect the air looks better now. I never noticed back in the 60's, 70's and 80's at how foul the exhaust was on the new cars back then...but I do now. I try to stop where I'm not in the exhaust fumes of cars at traffic lights, but the exhaust from one of the old classic cars is really bad now, it seems.

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    The article is interesting, but the writer is naive. I like the idea of how we'll decentralize our electrical production in theory. The move to electricity only sounds great, but there's holes in that idea. The picture below is one of those. Wow! I could put solar panels on my roof and generate my own electricity. Sounds great...



    ...till you look out my front door and see 200+ foot high trees that are upwind from my roof. Some of the branches that have come down are 15-20 feet in length. I suspect that even with the smaller branches that just simply land on my roof, they would damage the solar panels and cost a lot of money to replace. And I could probably count on doing this several times a year, not just once every 10 years or so. I've been watching those trees for years now, waiting till one of them comes down on my house. Take them down, you say. Hah! They aren't mine. They are on the neighbours property.

    The solar panels in the desert seem like the answer to anyone who doesn't live there. I don't either, but the memory is seared into my brain. I rode through on I-15 two summers ago and found the Ivanpah Solar Power facility. It was like looking at a welder's arc. When you live there, do you just keep your eyes focused anywhere but there? Gosh, that's got to be stressful.

    Even a solar power facility like Ivanpah uses fossil fuels though. From Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpa...Power_Facility
    Fossil fuel consumption[edit]

    The plant burns natural gas each morning to commence the operation. The Wall Street Journal reported, "Instead of ramping up the plant each day before sunrise by burning one hour's worth of natural gas to generate steam, Ivanpah needs more than four times that much."[29] On August 27, 2014, the State of California approved Ivanpah to increase its annual natural gas consumption from 328,000,000 cubic feet (9,300,000 m3) of natural gas, as previously approved, to 525,000,000 cubic feet (14,900,000 m3).[30] In 2014, the plant burned 868×109 British thermal units (254 GWh) of natural gas emitting 46,084 metric tons of carbon dioxide, which is nearly twice the pollution threshold at which power plants and factories in California are required to participate in the state's cap and trade program to reduce carbon emissions.
    But!...we can say that we use solar power!!! Even if the only way to do so, is to use the bad stuff like natural gas.

    And we haven't even gotten to the dead birds yet that burn alive when they fly over it. Of course that problem will take care of itself eventually. Kill enough of the birds, they won't make new birds and the annual number of birds killed will drop.

    Wind power is another non-polluting energy resource. But is it really? I think I posted an article I stumbled up of how there's a problem with what to do with these blades. (Why they can't be used forever, I don't know.) But the blades are the size of 747 wings and can't be recycled. So they go into landfills. What about the energy and pollutants created in making the wind towers? This researcher's article is a little dated, but it is still an eye opener. http://www.aweo.org/problemwithwind.html

    Hydro power is wonderful. Or so it seems. At one time, hydro-electric dams were being built all over the Pacific Northwest. It seemed perfect. Steep mountain sides with rivers running through them. We'll build a dam and create clean energy. Well, the dams prevent the salmon from making it upstream to spawn, which cuts down the number of salmon and then affects the population of the sea lions and killer whales. So the dams are being destroyed.

    Geothermal power is about the only one that really makes sense...if you live in the right area. When we traveled to Iceland, we found that everyone apparently gets free heat and maybe electricity too. It's all a benefit of living on top of an place where the earth's crust is splitting and you live on the cooled crust.


    In the article Roadpizza linked to, it has an interesting paragraph.
    We also share cars without thinking twice. In fact, regulating and ensuring the safety of driverless ride sharing were the biggest transportation hurdles for cities to overcome. The goal has been to eliminate private ownership of vehicles by 2050 in major metropolitan areas. We’re not quite there yet, but we’re making progress.
    What do they mean, we share cars without thinking twice? I don't like dog nose prints on my windows. Or fingerprints. I want to look out my windows and not feel like I'm looking through dirty eyeglasses. And you don't get to eat in my car and leave crumbs and sticky left overs for me to touch everywhere. When you parked the car, did you plug it in? Or will I find the battery totally drained when it is my time to use it?

    And what cars will be available to drive? Porsches? Or mini-vans? Who makes that choice for me?

    I see some issues in all this. I want the Porsche, by the way.


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    Lest it be lost in my long boring response above, I thought I'd point this out...

    AOC’s Chief of Staff Admits the Green New Deal Is Not about Climate Change

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    Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New Deal is to overhaul the “entire economy.”

    Chakrabarti said that addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez’s top priority in proposing the Green New Deal during a meeting with Washington governor Jay Inslee.

    “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all,” Chakrabarti said to Inslee’s climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday.

    “Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added.
    And that's the scary thing I think in all the talk of Climate Change and Global Warming. The elites at the top of the food chain making the decisions are telling us one thing...but their intentions are something different. And in their minds it is okay to turn the country into a socialist experiment like Venezuela...while they make sure they keep their own lifestyles. Because after all, they are the elites, and you are not.

    There's an interesting verse in the Book of Revelation. I'm not trying to be "preachy" or anything. But I think it has an interesting observation to it that may apply today.

    Revelation 6:5-6
    5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”
    An interpretation of this is that in the end times, famine will be prevalent. It'll cost you a day's wages to buy enough wheat of barley for one meal. But...the elite will have the luxuries of life, like the oil and wine. Hmmm...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    Lest it be lost in my long boring response above, I thought I'd point this out...

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    I was going to read your response but decided to wait until the movie comes out . . . . .
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    " Me thinks he doth protest too much."-William Shakespeare.
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    I figure it is all about raising taxes and creating government bureaucracies. Nothing like a good scare tactic to do both.

    While I do believe that the climate is warming (it has been about 10 degrees F warmer this winter at my home than in previous years), I am irritated that the city and county bureaucrats are more interested in raising taxes and creating new government programs to address the issue, rather than to first come up with ideas for combating the problem before asking for more money. They have lots of ideas how to raise taxes, but would leave the spending of that money to a new bureaucracy who would then determine how that money would be spent - after they have their hands on it. Right now all they can think of is to build walls along the sea coast and the bay front to protect property. The comment is if the Dutch and do it, so can we. All we need is enough money to build thousands of miles of walls.
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    I was a bit long-winded.

    I took a personality test a few years ago that compared your answers and chose a personality that matched a dog breed. I wanted to be a Irish Setter. Or a Collie. Or a German Shepherd. A real dog.

    Instead, my results came back that I was a Pug. A Pug? You've got to be kidding! I told the others at work what breed I came back with, and they all said it fit perfectly. Why? Because when I grab hold of something, I won't let go.

    You know...a Pit Bull Terrier is like that too. Maybe I could be one of those? It's a least a real dog. Not something that looks like someone slammed the door in its face.


    Sigh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildWilly View Post
    I was going to read your response but decided to wait until the movie comes out . . . . .


    You certainly get involved Chris . I enjoy the banter, afterall some of the things that have been discussed are lost in translation due to their locallised narrative.

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    You certainly get involved Chris . I enjoy the banter, afterall some of the things that have been discussed are lost in translation due to their locallised narrative.

    as Chris pointed out, climate change is not localized. What we do to "F" up this planet in the United States affects Ireland and visa versa. It's just a lot easier to debate who and what is responsible than to work to correct it. We aren't killing this planet, we are killing US on this planet. And when we get the job done, this planet will spit us off like a bad piece of meat and in a cosmic second (few thousand years) it will be pristine and beautiful again. And WildWilly and oxytotl and Daboo and Roadpizza and Richard230 and all others will be LONG gone.
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    Chris pointed out, climate change is not localized. And WildWilly and oxytotl and Daboo and Roadpizza and Richard230 and all others will be LONG gone.
    Yes... lost in translation!! I didn't mean regarding climate change - I meant our language. I don't always get some of things you talk about which maybe US specific, say like referring a TV program that we don't get here. I wouldn't have clue what you're on about - lost in translation!!
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    Yes... lost in translation!! I didn't mean regarding climate change - I meant our language. I don't always get some of things you talk about which maybe US specific, say like referring a TV program that we don't get here. I wouldn't have clue what you're on about - lost in translation!!
    we Unitedstatesians lose a lot in translation and we live here . . . . This might help you. When you see the word "trump" that translates to "a container for holding a water and vinegar solution" When you see the words "fox news" that translates to " bull**** even someone on an acid trip wouldn't believe"
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    I'm intrigued Philip - The Grudian? Not a paper I'd associate with a Western American citizen, years ago it was famed for it's spelling mistakes, highlighted by Private Eye Magazine! Great stuff!!
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    On my travels in the UK I saw plenty of yellow journalism rags. My friends in the UK recommended it as one of the better sources. I followed it enough to see it does a good job reporting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1KN1HT

    I suppose reuters is a bad link too...
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    Yellow Journalism - not a term I was familiar with so I looked it up with our Wiki- friend!

    "Yellow journalism and the yellow press are American terms for journalism and associated newspapers that present little or no legitimate well-researched news while instead using eye-catching headlines for increased sales. ... In English, the term is chiefly used in the US.
    ‎Origins: Pulitzer vs. Hearst · ‎Hearst in San Francisco ... "
    We'd call them 'the tabloids' - the likes of the Mirror, Sun etc.
    See "lost in translation"

    Thank you for widening my knowledge Philip! Thirty years ago or more, The Guardian when I did buy a paper was a little too left wing for my liking. I've no idea where they stand now

    I had to look up Jeffery Dahmer as well, --- table manners!
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    I remember reading in an issue of National Geographic a large article about Climate change back some 40 years ago. The thing that still stays with me is the fold out map and the statement that the only places in the States that will have water of any type will be the Pacific northwest and the Great Lake region. The rest will become a desert comparable to the Gobi Desert.

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    Pete Buttigieg says the Doomsday Clock deadline is now. 2020.
    “Let’s be real about the deadline. It’s not 2050, it’s not 2040, it’s not 2030. It’s 2020,” Buttigieg said during the debate.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...deadline-2020/

    This is one reason...actually 41 reasons why I don't get alarmed about "Climate Change" and "Global Warming", except when politicians want to take my money to "fix" things.

    Nolte: Climate ‘Experts’ Are 0-41 with Their Doomsday Predictions
    https://www.breitbart.com/environmen...y-predictions/

    ADDED: Here’s number 42 and 43.
    For more than 50 years Climate Alarmists in the scientific community and environmental movement have not gotten even one prediction correct, but they do have a perfect record of getting 41 predictions wrong.

    In other words, on at least 41 occasions, these so-called experts have predicted some terrible environmental catastrophe was imminent … and it never happened.
    And not once — not even once! — have these alarmists had one of their predictions come true.
    Think about that… the so-called experts are 0-41 with their predictions, but those of us who are skeptical of “expert” prediction number 42, the one that says that if we don’t immediately convert to socialism and allow Alexandria Ocasio-Crazy to control and organize our lives, the planet will become uninhabitable.
    Why would any sane person listen to someone with a 0-41 record?
    Why would we completely restructure our economy and sacrifice our personal freedom for “experts” who are 0-41, who have never once gotten it right?
    If you had an investment counselor who steered you wrong 41times, would you hang in there for number 42?
    Of course not. You’d fire him after failed prediction two or three.
    And if that’s not crazy enough, the latest ploy is to trot out a 16-year-old girl to spread prediction number 42, because it is so much more credible that way.
    Sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh.
    Anyway, I want you to have the data, so go ahead and print this out in advance of Thanksgiving dinner with your obnoxious Millennial nephew.
    LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT RIGHT
    NONE.
    ZIP.
    ZERO.
    NADA.
    BLANK
    DONUT HOLE
    NIL.
    NOTHING.
    VOID.
    ZILCH.
    LIST OF DOOMSDAY PREDICTIONS THE CLIMATE ALARMIST GOT WRONG
    Here is the source for numbers 1-27. As you will see, the individual sources are not crackpots, but scientific studies and media reports on “expert” predictions. The sources for numbers 28-41 are linked individually.

    1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
    2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
    3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
    4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
    5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
    6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
    7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
    8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
    9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life
    10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
    11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
    12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
    13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
    14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
    15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
    16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
    17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
    18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
    19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
    20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
    21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
    22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
    23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
    24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
    25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
    26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
    27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
    28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
    29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
    30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
    31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
    32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 90s
    33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
    34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
    35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
    36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
    37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
    38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
    39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
    40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
    41. 1970s: Killer Bees!

    Sorry, Experts… Sorry, Scientific Consensus… Only a fool comes running for the 42nd cry of wolf.
    Don’t litter, be kind to animals, recycling’s for suckers (it’s all going to end up in the ground eventually), so stop feeling guilty… Go out there and embrace all the bounty that comes with being a 21st century American — you know, like Obama, who says he believes in Global Warming with his mouth but proves he doesn’t with the $15 million he just spent on oceanfront that we’re told is doomed to flooding.
    This piece has been updated to correct a duplicate posting and add another hoax prediction.
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    Do I care?

    I'm going riding for the next several hours. We'll be spewing carbon emmissions into the clear clear country atmosphere.

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    What is a tweet?

    Do I care?

    !
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    But ask yourself...which of those 43 predictions came true? Disregard the source and look at the facts.

    I can remember all the dire predictions of peak oil. Oh my gosh! We're running out of oil. Well, the USA has gone from being an oil importer to being a net oil exporter. I'm not trying to get off on whether the methods are right or wrong. Just simply saying that the prediction that we will be out of oil was totally false.

    In 2008, Al Gore predicted there would be no Polar Ice cap by 2013. My memory isn't always as good as it should be, but seven years after that prediction, it seems there's still this "Inconvenient Truth"...that there's a polar ice cap.

    Pick any of them...which has come true? But they want your money to prevent this dire thing from happening. Not their money, mind you. Your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    But ask yourself...which of those 43 predictions came true? Disregard the source and look at the facts.

    I can remember all the dire predictions of peak oil. Oh my gosh! We're running out of oil. Well, the USA has gone from being an oil importer to being a net oil exporter. I'm not trying to get off on whether the methods are right or wrong. Just simply saying that the prediction that we will be out of oil was totally false.

    In 2008, Al Gore predicted there would be no Polar Ice cap by 2013. My memory isn't always as good as it should be, but seven years after that prediction, it seems there's still this "Inconvenient Truth"...that there's a polar ice cap.

    Pick any of them...which has come true? But they want your money to prevent this dire thing from happening. Not their money, mind you. Your money.

    Chris
    You can't believe in predictions as so many are bogus. For instance:
    I'm going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
    I'm going to destroy ISIS in 6 months.
    I'm going to stop Chicago murders in 30 days.
    I'm going to lock Hillary up.
    I'm going to replace Obama care with something better
    I'm going to release my tax returns.
    I'm not going to play golf as often as Obama did
    I'm going to reduce the national debt
    I'm going to denuclearize North Korea.
    I'm going to bring jobs back from China (Where Trump clothing is still made)


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    Again, straw man building attempting to divert the thread onto a a subject unrelated to the thread.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...eat-human-race
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    It does not even come close to the 2000+ years old Christian, "second coming." Mythos.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    Pete Buttigieg says the Doomsday Clock deadline is now. 2020.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...deadline-2020/

    This is one reason...actually 41 reasons why I don't get alarmed about "Climate Change" and "Global Warming", except when politicians want to take my money to "fix" things.

    Nolte: Climate ‘Experts’ Are 0-41 with Their Doomsday Predictions
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildWilly View Post
    You can't believe in predictions as so many are bogus. For instance:
    I'm going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
    I'm going to destroy ISIS in 6 months.
    I'm going to stop Chicago murders in 30 days.
    I'm going to lock Hillary up.
    I'm going to replace Obama care with something better
    I'm going to release my tax returns.
    I'm not going to play golf as often as Obama did
    I'm going to reduce the national debt
    I'm going to denuclearize North Korea.
    I'm going to bring jobs back from China (Where Trump clothing is still made)


    Anybody who believed those predictions has to be a dumbass.
    I didn't think any of those predictions had anything to do with "climate change". Or does locking Hillary up mean the polar ice caps will melt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    I didn't think any of those predictions had anything to do with "climate change". Or does locking Hillary up mean the polar ice caps will melt?

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    May the saints help you! Those tweets beggars belief that he's the leader a great country.
    I could say a lot about our leader, but you don't want to hear it. I'm sooo looking forward to four more years.

    I may not agree with what Trump acts like, but I do agree with the results. And whether you like Trump or not, you have to admit that the spectacle of the Democratic caucuses in Iowa and the Democratic debates ...well, do you want to entrust your future to that crowd? If it wasn't so critical, it would be laughable.

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    .is this a blend or a single malt?
    And all that was made up by the Democratic National Party and paid for by HRC.

    But does it have anything to do with climate change? Or are we changing the topic of the thread?


    If I didn't know better, I'd say this appears like "you" are changing the subject because you realize you can't refute any of what I posted above. You'll attack the source (Breitbart News). You'll attack the President in an obvious display of TDS. But you won't...or can't...show where the facts and data are wrong.

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    I could say a lot about our leader, but you don't want to hear it. I'm sooo looking forward to four more years.

    I may not agree with what Trump acts like, but I do agree with the results. And whether you like Trump or not, you have to admit that the spectacle of the Democratic caucuses in Iowa and the Democratic debates ...well, do you want to entrust your future to that crowd? If it wasn't so critical, it would be laughable.

    Chris
    I've been an independent voter all my life and I've voted for more Republicans than Democrats. With that said, if the Democrats nominate the jockstrap sweat of Colin Kaepernick, my political mantra will be "Sweat? You Bet" Chris, any candidate who says he has the right to sexually assault the women in our lives is out in my book.
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    Talking about climate change.................... It was a pleasant day here yesterday, but this morning it's wet and windy - proof that the climate changed overnight!

    Most of the predictions are bollixs - the truth is nobody knows what going to happen tomorrow! The prediction 40yrs ago was that petrol cars were to be replaced by hydrogen hover cars!! I'm still waiting. I was told when I was a kid that they'd invented a different type of fuel but was smothered by the petroleum companies who at the time had tremendous clout. Who knows?

    As for politics, if this thread can support it I'm all for free discussion. I think we all can agree that the name Trump polarises opinions. If you look at the Boris - Corbyn scenario where Corbyn was the definite under-dog as the UK electorate doesn't have the stomach for a left of left government. In the US ........... no I'll leave it there.
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    More importantly, these days I drink Shiraz and/or a cheaper brand of brandy. My philosophy is that after the first glass or two of a higher priced brandy, it doesn't matter!!
    I have a few friends who are supporters of #45 and we remain friends because they don't say "God put him in the White House" and I don't say "no She didn't."
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