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    But it looks like motorcycles get a break - at least for now: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/...an-motorbikes/
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    That ought to be interesting. I notice that the people who voted on it, put it out far enough into the future that they won't be held accountable for the results.

    On a similar note, there were two articles on Democratic candidates in this country that I thought were interesting. Warren got off her private jet and when she saw the camera pointed toward her, walked so one of her staffers blocked her from the camera. In the other article, Bernie Sanders spent $1.2 million on private jet travel in the last quarter of 2019. Why is this a big deal? Because both are campaigning on the Green New Deal and Climate Change. Apparently the sacrifices they want to push for, are only for you to live with, not what they plan to subject themselves to. Sort of a "Do as I say, not as I do."

    I can think of places in Scotland where you won't get there with a battery powered vehicle. Ireland too. Hmmm...I wonder what they'll do about the tractors? There's a lot of those in merry ole England.

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    In NJ our governor took a recent PR blitz regarding an agressive EV rebate program. Up to $5K per vehicle plus $500 to install an outlet/charger at one's home. It actually sounds very attractive to those on the fence like me. But i can find no details on the program.

    So I went to the Tesla store this weekend and the Sales Associate rolled his eyes and said the program is capped at X number/year and with the volume Tesla sells they said don't count on getting the rebate. All will be allocated quickly. One applies for it after buying the car...no guarantee when you purchase that it will still be available. And no start date on the program. It should be available by summer..no one knows if retroactive to law signing date.

    So again another political program hyped to the gills for slaps on the back but not really good in execution. The Governor will take his victory lap but peel back the curtain and another poorly executed and convoluted program.
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    What seems to be consistent across all the "green" ideas like this, is they aren't viable unless the government subsidies the purchase. Given just equal competition on the free-market, they won't sell.

    Teslas are an interesting case. At least with the top of the line versions like the Model S, the subsidy is paid for by people who can't afford a Tesla S for people to whom the amount of the subsidy really isn't a big deal.

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    Daboo, private jets for campaigning or Air Force One, that's kinda private too, to commute to Florida to play the golf games he condemned Obama about.
    They are ALL hypocrites. I'd like a proper reckoning of what has been spent for the convenience of Trump and billed to those that voted for him.
    Trump is reportedly hold 1 Billion earmarked for green energy. Where's the benefit there?

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    I understand what you're saying. The point I was trying to make is that these two people are campaigning on being "green". It's sort of like the global elite who meet at Davos to discuss the climate change and what to do about it...and fly in on hundreds of private jets. What is good for you, is not applicable to them.

    And that's probably what will happen when England's ban on gas powered vehicles hits in 2035.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
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    And that's probably what will happen when England's ban on gas powered vehicles
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    Think you'll find it's not limited to England which is just one part of the United Kingdom.

    Guess there's no correlation between the reasoning behind this ban, and what we're currently witnessing to in Australia?







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    " these two people are campaigning on being "green""
    Yah, Trump never has been about worrying about man made pollution. He's a hypocrite for a myriad of other reasons.
    The only Green item Trump worships is the green of the dollar. F--k ramifications , can we make money at it?
    I can see the England going electric. 2% hydro electric. Importing coal to New Castle now i guess. They also don't have much in the way of oil reserves that I know of. 20 years maybe?
    Demanding all electric in the US will be more difficult since we have thousands of miles of straight interstates vehicles would need recharge capabilities every couple hundred miles.
    But maybe Ellon Muskrat will have all that improved before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxerBits View Post
    Guess there's no correlation between the reasoning behind this ban, and what we're currently witnessing to in Australia?
    Probably not. I think we (man) would like to believe we can control things of that magnitude, but we can't. If we could...then we could "fix" it, right? We'd have control, which we all want. But if we really have that much control over the climate...why was there climate change before we came around?

    There's a sign at the Athabasca glacier that makes the statement that the glacier has advanced and receded several times over the past 10,000 years. Then the last paragraph makes it seem like the glacier receding is caused by greenhouse gases...which are caused by those evil cars. Sounds logical, doesn't it. At least till you ask the question...what caused the previous times the glacier receded, advanced and receded again? Cars weren't around. People weren't around. Cow farts?

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    The other thing that points to us having nothing to do with it, is where the people making the money off of Climate Change spend their money. Al Gore told us that ocean levels were going to rise 20 feet in his movie, An Inconvenient Truth. But if he really believed that...why did he buy a $9 million dollar home on the ocean?

    I think what is more likely, is the climate is changing and we need to adapt. There's another thread where I linked to an article about a solar minimum that might cause a Mini-Ice Age like what happened when the Maunder Minimum occurred. We had snow in July and the Thames was frozen over. I doubt we have any ability to influence sun spot activity, let alone survive on the sun. But I don't doubt something of that magnitude could influence our climate.

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    10,000 years of Woolly mammoth farts? And then humans put an end to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    10,000 years of Woolly mammoth farts? And then humans put an end to that.
    I hadn't thought of that! I'll bet you're right!!!

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    Some of it is the green house gases tied up in the permafrost that gets released when the temps rise.
    Deforestation helps the rise also. Normal stuff. Perhaps folks just want to believe that mankind is more of a curse than it is? Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa. Flagellate my back with a switch?
    Make me feel all better about myself so I can keep driving my 55 Norton??

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    So how far can you ride a 1955 Norton? Far enough to reach the nearest coal-fired power plant?
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    Remember, an old Norton wants leaded gas to protect the valve seats so it's even doubly destructive. Probably 2-3 tons of pollution for every gallon burned.
    Though that may be on par with the electrical charge of a Zero provided by Coal. 10 mile commute and a 4 hour recharge, gotta be 2-3 tons of pollution equivalent.
    It's all horrible, man. Coal powered plants or the Hetch Hetchy valley flooded or the hill sides of Tehachapi covered with windmills killing off the bird population.
    Even tidal power generation is liable to have some adverse effect on the ecosystem. Get a bicycle or walk? Just restrict your travel. Folks of yore rarely left the valley they were born in.
    I've got a market and apothecary down the street I can walk to. If I were't so wanderlust I could survive with a smaller carbon footprint.

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    Going back to the decision to sell only electric cars in the UK from 2035, it won't happen as there is not a cat in hell's chance that we can get the infrastructure in place, standardise charging systems, and generate sufficient 'Green' electricity to charge all vehicles. Oh and even if battery technological advances fast enough, unless alternative 'rare' metals are introduced, there will be a world shortage!

    However with higher levels of CO2 than this world has ever experienced, it has more than doubled since I were a lad, and ice rapidly melting in both the Artic and Antarctic, plus the changing weather patterns. 90% of climate scientists tell us climate change is happening and we are responsible for a major part of it (but Trump knows more than they do). I'm convinced the human race is at least contributing to a worsening future for this planet. It doesn't worry me personally as I'll be 97, if I last that long, in 2035, so we ought to let the younger generation decide how to slow down this potential disaster for them and their families.

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    "unless alternative 'rare' metals are introduced, there will be a world shortage!"

    Right now China is the main source of "Rare Earth" minerals. World politics being what they are makes depending on that source iffy.
    The US recently opened restrictions on the Rare Earth mine in Calif at Mountain Pass on Hwy 15 for more excavation. It's close to the boundary of the Mojave Nat'l Preserve so due care has to be considered lest we pollute the desert. That being said, one can only mine where the minerals exist. Last thing we need is to be dependent on a capable foreign power that is also a potential adversary.

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    Federal EV tax credits for purchase of a Tesla expired last year. That’s a good thing because contrary to stated intention such subsidies only inflate the total cost. Automakers do exactly the same thing with rebates and incentives, because they allow a higher total price by convincing the buyer that they are “getting a deal!” The tax credit has the fiction of going to the consumer but in reality the consumer is only the middleman handing the credit to the dealer and manufacturer.

    Tesla is having to practice exactly that now the Federal Tax credit is gone.

    For amusement research what happened in 2006-2007 when Toyota used all their quota of tax credits for hybrid. In 2006 dealers demanded $4000 Market Value Adjustment over MSRP when $3750 tax credit was available to a $2000 manufacturer’s rebate and dealers dickering by spring 2007.
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    One of the "problems" when government gets into adjusting the free market to fit the policies they want to enact, are the unintended consequences.

    Wind power has been hailed as a wonderful energy source to be implemented everywhere. I was surprised to find an article on them show up the other day. I couldn't find the same article, but these two cover the same problem the governments didn't anticipate. Judging from the date in the second article, the problem has been around for awhile.



    I'm not trying to get into a debate on wind power. I'm just pointing out that our legislatures enact policy and often don't live with the problems personally, or think through the consequences.

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