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    Triumph is moving all of its mass-produced motorcycle production off-shore to other countries, such as Thailand and India, while keeping their design and research center and one specialty products manufacturing factory in the UK (at least that is the way that I interpret this article). Perhaps a result of Brexit?
    https://www.rideapart.com/articles/4...line-thailand/
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    Maybe Brexit, but also maybe just modern economics??? Either way, I don't see it as a practical problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royce View Post
    Maybe Brexit, but also maybe just modern economics??? Either way, I don't see it as a practical problem.

    Good luck.
    Might it not be a "practical problem", if you're currently employed on the UK production line?

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    Well, that's not going to make Britain great again. Boris isn't looking out for the working English bloke.
    But maybe like the BMW factory in Berlin years ago, it was peopled by foreign workers getting lower wages than the Germans were getting. So if you shipped manufatcturing to another country it didn't matter.

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    I’m on the Triumph Forum and having the same discussion...

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    This is a difficult one..... but I'm entitled to my point of view. I believe if you trade on heritage surely your bike should be built in the place that your claiming your heritage from.
    I recently made a comment on a comparison test between a BMW R9t racer and Thaiumph Thruxton R, I suggested that the Beemer had Berlin air in it's tyres and the Thruxton Thai air and regardless of how many union jack stickers and pretend amal covers on fuel injection the Beemer as the better provenance.
    Some mad bitch called me a racist, I reported her and removed my post as I have no wish to upset anyone.
    My Kawasaki 650 mk3 versys and my new Honda cub were built in Thailand and they are very good.
    But if your playing the heritage card Shouldn't a Harley be built in the USA and a BMW in Germany, I'm a realist though when I got to know my 08 f800s usually by cleaning it I stopped counting when I got to 7 or 8 countries which had supplied quality components this on my best ever bike, I hope my new f800gt is as good with its German metz tyres instead of the 014 French made Bridgestone fitted to my f800s.
    John bloor is a clever astute multi millionaire and I'm sure he knows what he is doing the move will be a success. He will probably ignore advice from a bloke who sells sheds (me).
    Only had one triumph a tiger explorer 1200.... less said about that the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notacop View Post
    Well, that's not going to make Britain great again. Boris isn't looking out for the working English bloke.
    But maybe like the BMW factory in Berlin years ago, it was peopled by foreign workers getting lower wages than the Germans were getting. So if you shipped manufatcturing to another country it didn't matter.
    Thought small minded political commentary was frowned upon in this forum?





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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxerBits View Post
    Might it not be a "practical problem", if you're currently employed on the UK production line?

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    You are correct, of course. I apologize for ignoring the obvious with my initial comment. Certainly I did not intend to upset anyone. In the future I will be more careful with my comments. Hope you forgive me.
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    "Thought small minded political commentary was frowned upon in this forum?"

    Perhaps but from what I understood at the time that's the way it was. Perhaps you have more accurate information?
    But given the production of products at the current time international cooperation is just the way it is?

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    Religion , politics and off color joking are reserved in the Grown-up section. It is where this can be discussed without interfering with the rest of the forum.

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    Thought small minded political commentary was frowned upon in this forum?





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    Another factor that affects production, is that by having parts of your product made in various parts of the world, you get favorable policies towards it. Not just the obvious one of tariffs, but things like gov't policies for operating a business in their area, etc. I believe Boeing uses that as a determining factor in buying parts of their airplanes that are made in all parts of the world. So it isn't just cheap labor that encourages a business to buy things that are made elsewhere.

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    Religion , politics and off color joking are reserved in the Grown-up section. It is where this can be discussed without interfering with the rest of the forum.
    As Philip wrote, this can be moved to the Grown-up section...which any of the moderators can do. Although, the discussions there really aren't "grown-up".

    Nigel made a good point. This moves from being a practical problem to a personal problem when you are directly affected and made redundant. We need to keep that in mind when voicing our opinions here...or if this moves to the "Grown-Up" section.

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    Call me old fashioned but I don't consider calling someone's opinion "small minded" to be very grown-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildWilly View Post
    Call me old fashioned but I don't consider calling someone's opinion "small minded" to be very grown-up.
    Definition from Cambridge English Dictionary :-

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxerBits View Post
    Definition from Cambridge English Dictionary :-

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...h/small-minded



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    Putz is also in that dictionary. I wouldn't consider calling you a putz to be very grown-up.
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    You two Barmpots get it together......there is even a thread called " Fight Club" in the Grown-up section where you can duke it out ......if youse guys want to that is.


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    Here is an interesting comment from the former Royal Enfield motorcycles U.S. importer (who imported the bikes for about 15 years before the factory decided to take over importing and put him out of a job):

    I want to tread very lightly here - When Harley wanted to come to India they were refused - period. Yet our beloved RE's could come to the US.
    Without getting into the long details Harley opened a plant in India because of the tariffs that India made them pay just to import their bikes. As much as 150%.
    How if that fair? We allow Indian products into the US duty-free yet they do not reciprocate. Why? Simple answer because they could. The tariffs ensured that manufacturing had to be done in India if you wanted to compete

    Not a pro-Trump post but.... fair is fair. Same thing with China. If let their stuff in for no duty why should our businesses pay duty to bring things into China?
    I could have added 10 full-time good-paying jobs with full benefits if the tariffs were fair. We had a lot of calls for items that we sold in India. It is a huge market but we could not do it because of the import duties imposed by India. Yet I was bringing in items from there for free. You can have cheap Chinese/Indian prices or you can have jobs not both
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadpizza View Post
    You two Barmpots get it together......there is even a thread called " Fight Club" in the Grown-up section where you can duke it out ......if youse guys want to that is.


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    [QUOTE=Daboo;2828493


    As Philip wrote, this can be moved to the Grown-up section...which any of the moderators can do. Although, the discussions there really aren't "grown-up".

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    dont be so hard on yourself. I like a lot of what you post there. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildWilly View Post
    Putz is also in that dictionary. I wouldn't consider calling you a putz to be very grown-up.
    What's your problem?

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    What's your problem?

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