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    I have a couple of comments regarding the virus that I was pondering last night:

    I wonder what the U.S. government is paying for each dose of vaccine and if the cost is different depending upon the manufacturer? What with buying hundreds of millions of doses, I would hope they are getting a volume discount. So far I haven't heard a peep about the cost of each dose anywhere in the news media. I bet it isn't cheap, though.

    My other question revolves around the state of California apparently that is planning to contract with the private medical insurance company, Blue Shield, to distribute and manage the vaccination system in the state. I wonder how that is going to work? While I have never had Blue Shield insurance, I do know people (like my daughter) who don't think too much about the company and the way they operate - and make money. Being the kind of person that I am, it sounds to me like Blue Shield is being set up to take the heat off of the governor should things go wrong during the vaccination process. It is always nice for a politician to have a big bad private company to take the blame when the poop hits the fan.
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    I'm sure that with decades of 'me-me-me-first USA' foreign policy the US will have been well positioned to bully smaller countries out of any semblance of a fair access to the early rounds of the vaccine. So rest assured Richard the USA will get a volume discount at the expense of others, as usual. Happy now?

    What will be an interesting number will be the just how many vaccine doses are wasted by the USA*. Because the USA has been such an abject failure in terms of true public health policy and administration and lacks the infrastructure and incentive to provide care for those that need it but can't easily pay there will be millions of doses thrown in the trash, rather than jabbed in arms. As Ivanka said 'Muricans don't like to be given anything for free'.

    The cost (for the dummies) is infinitely small compared to the costs of a hospital admission for a COVID-19 patient which months ago was about US$90,000 on average.

    So whilst listening to or reading the constant whining of Americans about the confusing COVID-19 pandemic is both hilarious and sad at the same time, please rest assured that the cost of vaccination and prevention of cases is less than the cost of treating cases, ok? That has been in the media.





    * Continuing its role as the stoopidest country in the pandemic. USA Number 1
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...lines-n1254364
    https://www.propublica.org/article/c...accine-wastage
    https://khn.org/news/article/delicat...r-worse-waste/
    https://observer.com/2020/12/covid-1...-wasted-chaos/
    https://apnews.com/article/science-h...da83d64b9cd5c6

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    I heard on the news last night that a group of anti-vaccine protesters shut down the LA vaccine clinic, one of the largest in the country, for an hour yesterday. Apparently they don't believe in vaccine and don't want to get it and they don't want anyone else to get it, either. Gotta stay safe from the deadly vaccine. Fun and games in LA.
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    People are amazing. If they don't believe in the vaccine - then don't get it and let Darwinism test out. Don't prevent the others who want it from having it. It is amazing to me what a political and irrationally passionate issue to vaccinate is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMeteor View Post
    If they don't believe in the vaccine - then don't get it...
    Same same for those who are anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage: if you don't believe in abortion, be sure not to obtain one. If you don't believe in gay marriage, be sure to not marry someone of the same sex. With these issues the irony is blatant: often these same people are anti-government control, and yet they want government to codify both of these issues.

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    The m-RNA vaccines do pose some interesting questions. Just a couple days ago I posed one to the authors of some scientific articles that were circling around the question but never addressed it directly. Brief background: ACE2 = angiotensin 2 converting enzyme. When angiotensin binds to an available ACE2 receptor its inherently pathogenic nature is favorably attenuated: it loses its hypertensive & pro-inflammatory effects, both of which play major roles in severity of Covid 19 disease. Covid-19's spike protein binds to these same ACE2 receptors, which are ubiquitously present on the cell membranes of various tissues in the body including endothelial lining, airway lining and more. So the ACE2 receptor is the portal by which the virus enters the cell to replicate, and in doing so ties up the ACE2 receptor so that it is no longer available to degrade angiotensin 2.

    m-RNA viruses challenge our immune system to produce antibodies which act in effect as ACE2 receptor decoys so as to bind w/ Covid-19 spike proteins and so prevent the virus from binding to ACE2 receptors. This begs an important plausible: what is the affinity for angiotensin 2 to bind to ACE2 receptor decoys, which we can safely presume will not degrade away angiotensin's deleterious effects. Does this imply there will be increased levels of unconverted angiotensin 2 therefore increasing hypertension and inflammation?

    It's a little spooky to me the m-RNA vaccines work in this fashion, specifically designed to mimic our ubiquitous ACE2 receptors which therefore suggest it has the potential to have far-reaching interactions w/ this giant aspect of our physioregulatory systems. Potential only, but still....

    I will take the vaccine as soon as its offered since I am in the highest risk group for a poor outcome. The new J&J vaccine w/ it's 66% efficacy should be offered to lower risk people, but I've not heard that yet. In general we're using just age as a criteria for vaccine eligibility, yet comorbidities play a giant role in risk for severe disease. A healthy, lean & fit 75y/o is at far lower risk than someone like myself at 68y/o and a 30+ year history of diabetes. I think some docs and clinics are trying to target their high risk patients.

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    My daughter knows a woman who is an anti-masker. She tried to book a hotel in the Southeast for a convention of anti-maskers (who knew it was a thing that needed a convention?) and was told by the hotel that everyone would have to wear a mask within the hotel. So she canceled the convention and the hotel said don't let the door hit you in the behind on the way out.
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    Who knew there were so many nuts around,,. You think your in a sophisticated modern society and then you find out otherwise,,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Who knew there were so many nuts around,,. You think your in a sophisticated modern society and then you find out otherwise,,.
    And then there is QAnon and its followers. It's cultural psychosis I'm afraid and not a good sign.

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    In other news: I am a member of the Kaiser medical/hospital plan, which has something like 9.5 million members. I heard on the news last night that at the current rate of vaccine distribution to their system in California, it will take about 4 years to vaccinate all of their members.

    And another item: I just heard on this morning's CBS network news that a number of people are not returning for their second shot of the virus vaccine. They receive appointments, but just don't bother showing up, and when contacted say they had other things to do or it was just too much of a hassle to get another shot. And there have also been reports that more and more people say they don't want to get vaccinated at all because they don't think it is safe for the usual list of reasons. One example was that 38% of a nursing home staff at one facility refused to get vaccinated. There may come a day when an employee will have to prove that they have been vaccinated in order to keep their job. No doubt that will result in some political and social kickback drama.

    And so it goes.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Who knew there were so many nuts around,,. You think your in a sophisticated modern society and then you find out otherwise,,.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    And then there is QAnon and its followers. It's cultural psychosis I'm afraid and not a good sign.
    Sometimes I wonder if its not a sign of an overly affluent society, every ones got a costume and a cause, traveling around staying in hotels preoccupied with this and protesting that,,. There was a time when folks had to, and some still do, put all there energy and resources into providing for themselves and there families,,. They never had time to go lake, never mind protesting what the next guy is doing, if he wear's a mask or wants to have a vaccine or a medical treatment, or telling your neighbor who to vote for,!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Who knew there were so many nuts around,,. You think your in a sophisticated modern society and then you find out otherwise,,.



    Sometimes I wonder if its not a sign of an overly affluent society, every ones got a costume and a cause, traveling around staying in hotels preoccupied with this and protesting that,,. There was a time when folks had to, and some still do, put all there energy and resources into providing for themselves and there families,,. They never had time to go lake, never mind protesting what the next guy is doing, if he wear's a mask or wants to have a vaccine or a medical treatment, or telling your neighbor who to vote for,!!

    It does seem like many people have too much time on their hands and don't know what to do with it other than to go crazy. Maybe they should spend more time trying to be a productive member of society instead of stirring up trouble for everyone else.
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    Received my 1st Moderna vaccine at 10 AM. 5 hours later, I have had no side effects.
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    My wife and I contemplated the same thought of 'who has the time and the money to protest and march?' When we moved to NYC metro many years ago we were amazed that every day there seemed to be a protest. We are too busy in our work and such, Not that we don't have beliefs and passions..but it amazing people have time for a convention of non-maskers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMeteor View Post
    My wife and I contemplated the same thought of 'who has the time and the money to protest and march?' When we moved to NYC metro many years ago we were amazed that every day there seemed to be a protest. We are too busy in our work and such, Not that we don't have beliefs and passions..but it amazing people have time for a convention of non-maskers.
    Some of the MAGA mob rioters who violently stormed the US Capitol to protest Joe Biden becoming president never even voted in the 2020 election.

    At least eight of the protesters who have been charged over the Capitol riots did not cast ballots in November's election, a CNN analysis of voting records has shown.

    The mob, who declared themselves patriots, stormed the Capitol building after attending Donald Trump's 'Stop the Steal' rally in Washington DC back on January 6.

    Among those who didn't vote but declared that the election had been stolen included an Ohio militia member, a University of Kentucky senior, a young Tennessee man who declared the 'Calvary is coming' and a New Yorker ready for a revolution.

    Voting records for some of those who were charged were unavailable due to varying rules in different states.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/so...on/ar-BB1di4OY

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    This is an update on my Moderna vaccine on2/2/21.

    12 hours after the shot, I had a very mild headache. I never have headaches, but, this was tolerable. I did not show any fever. I had no pain in my arm at the inoculation spot, my wife did. I have taken no aspirin etc.. I did not make an attempt at any exercise. Can not say if that was good or bad.

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    Hence the saying, "you cant fix stupid",,!!

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    This cartoon points out what I believe is the root of this refusal to accept the scientific community's recommendations for beating back the pandemic; it is a lack of education. While stupid is forever, ignorance is not. In general, U.S. voters have needed, for the last 60+ years, to be dragged kicking and screaming to pay the taxes to support our schools. After a couple of generations of this incompetent education, there is the likelihood of school board personnel being too ignorant to know what they don't know.

    Add this to areas of the country that prefer to teach creation rather than evolution and maintain, despite overwhelming scientific evidence, that the earth is only 8,000 years old.

    Perhaps this is an atypical example of the decline of education over the years, but I think of my maternal grandmother who graduated high school in 1904 knowing algebra, geometry, trigonometry, Latin, German, and having read most of the classics. Her level of education was, in my opinion, the equal of today's four year college degree.

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    One last update on my first Moderna vaccine on 2/2/21.

    26 hours after the first vaccination, I do not feel any side effects. I just got home from a 6.5 mile walk that I did easily. My 2nd shot will be on 3/2/21, I will post an update at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwatchmaker View Post
    While stupid is forever, ignorance is not...
    I'd say that something like that is happening also here, luckily we have good level public schools first, and, generally speaking, the mock of stupidity and/or ignorance.
    Last year, a couple of guys were rescued at sea on their sail boat, when it came out that they believed in the flat earth theory, everyone start laughing at them, we're still laughing
    Just try and tell you're going to refuse the vaccine, and in the zones of Italy hitten harder by the virus, you'll risk to get lynched, or, at least, tarr and feather
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther View Post
    Just try and tell you're going to refuse the vaccine, and in the zones of Italy hitten harder by the virus, you'll risk to get lynched, or, at least, tarr and feather
    Yes Gunther, good communication does help,,. I recall news reports from last March when they were just starting to get the message out, this will likely of saved many lives,!!

    We will send police. With flame-throwers': Italian mayors lose it at people refusing to self isolate

    As the death toll climbs at the world's new epicenter, mayors in Italy are cussing out citizens leaving their homes: 'Where the f*** are you all going?'
    “I’m getting news that some [people] would like to throw graduation parties,” said Vincenzo De Luca, the president of Campania, said in a Facebook live statement. “We will send police. With flame-throwers.”
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    Anyway, it looks like people don't trust anymaore in ... anything ?! Yesterday I read about O. Newton-John saying she's not going to get the vaccine; she told she got infos about vaccines and she absolutely don't want to get injected with mercury or pesticedes . Is she a doctor? what about mercury in the fish we eat, or pesticides on vegetables (this is for vegetarians)? And what about vaccines we got when we were children? I can't even remember how many I had, without a problem, like everyone here in Italy, and now, for few years, mothers are worried for their children having too many vaccines Are they f.....g kidding me?
    By the way, as far as I know, in USA class actions can have "huge results"; that being said, can you figure a pharmaceutical society producing a vaccine, or else, which can be potentially harmful?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther View Post

    Anyway, it looks like people don't trust anymaore in ... anything ?! Yesterday I read about O. Newton-John saying she's not going to get the vaccine; she told she got infos about vaccines and she absolutely don't want to get injected with mercury or pesticedes . Is she a doctor? what about mercury in the fish we eat, or pesticides on vegetables (this is for vegetarians)? And what about vaccines we got when we were children? I can't even remember how many I had, without a problem, like everyone here in Italy, and now, for few years, mothers are worried for their children having too many vaccines Are they f.....g kidding me?
    By the way, as far as I know, in USA class actions can have "huge results"; that being said, can you figure a pharmaceutical society producing a vaccine, or else, which can be potentially harmful?

    That mercury in vaccine story is fake news perpetuated by anti-vaxxers. My understanding is that there is absolutely no mercury, much less pesticides, used to manufacture any vaccine. It is all BS that apparently came from some sort of fake news report by an English researcher years ago - if my recollection is correct. I have been taking the flu vaccine for many years and have never had the flu during that time and I am not feeling like a swordfish, either.
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    It's obvious, or it should be, but what amazes me, is people trusting BS coming from the net. Roadpizza and others quoted Asimov: your ignorance worths like my knoledge (more or less)
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    What motivates the Antivaxxers, watch this, money, what else,,!!

    Leaders of the anti-vaccine movement used 'Stop the Steal' crusade to advance their own conspiracy theories

    In the wake of Trump's electoral defeat, some leaders of the anti-vaccine movement latched onto the "Stop the Steal" crusade, advancing their own conspiratorial claims and, in some cases, promoting private business ventures, CNN has found. Some prominent anti-vaxxers say they directly coordinated with organizers of the DC rallies in January and pushed their message at other MAGA demonstrations, and on pro-Trump podcasts and social media platforms.

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    @Lag, from the link you posted:

    the video, which also featured Stella Immanuel, who said in the past that DNA from space aliens is used in medicine.


    Is there people who can believe that? School breakdown?
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    USA...

    Unbelievably Stoopid Americans.

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    I love the U.S. representative (from Georgia?) who was saying that Jewish space lasers were responsible for starting wildfires in California last year. That was a good one. I bet even Hitler couldn't have come up with that when going after the Jewish people during the 1930's. What drives these people to think like that. What is worse is that I heard that woman captured something like 80% of the vote in her district. Maybe they hand out free moonshine at the voting booths in Georgia.

    There is definitely something seriously wrong with our education system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    What is worse is that I heard that woman captured something like 80% of the vote in her district. Maybe they hand out free moonshine at the voting booths in Georgia.
    The crazy thing is that she(Green)ran against republican John Cowan a neurosurgeon who owns a toy company. John grew up on a cattle farm in northwest Georgia, and his conservative values are deeply rooted in his upbringing. As a physician, entrepreneur and small businessman, John has spent his life investing in the community. John is married to Dr. Annie Cowan, an anesthesiologist, and they have four children. The Cowans attend First Presbyterian Church of Rome, where John has served as an Elder, Deacon and Sunday school teacher. This is a Republican that supported DJT and the boarder wall,,!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    The crazy thing is that she(Green)ran against republican John Cowan a neurosurgeon who owns a toy company. John grew up on a cattle farm in northwest Georgia, and his conservative values are deeply rooted in his upbringing. As a physician, entrepreneur and small businessman, John has spent his life investing in the community. John is married to Dr. Annie Cowan, an anesthesiologist, and they have four children. The Cowans attend First Presbyterian Church of Rome, where John has served as an Elder, Deacon and Sunday school teacher. This is a Republican that supported DJT and the boarder wall,,!!
    https://cowanforcongress.com/john-cowan/
    If that is the case then I can't even imagine what was going through the minds of the voters in her district when she was elected by a landslide.
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    The quality of candidates continues to ebb.

    The folk of Georgia have it bad with a choice of a tin-hat-wearing 'lasers from space' conspiracy theorist vs a hypocrite Christain who believes in 'love thy neighbour' so long as they 'ain't brown, oh Laud cheeses'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    If that is the case then I can't even imagine what was going through the minds of the voters in her district when she was elected by a landslide.
    Richard I'd guess everything that the voters heard went in one ear, straight through their minds without even stopping for a synapse and out the other ear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidaMile View Post
    Richard I'd guess everything that the voters heard went in one ear, straight through their minds without even stopping for a synapse and out the other ear.
    The only reason I mentioned this was I saw this guy on an interview and the contrast between the two candidate's couldn't be more stark,,. I was quite impressed with him professional presence, his background, his family and his accomplishment's,,. As far as GOP, he ticked all the boxes and would be doing a generous service holding office considering his successes,,.

    Could there be something in the water in Georgia,,?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    What is worse is that I heard that woman captured something like 80% of the vote in her district.
    This was my sentiment when Trump won the nomination. Narcissitic sociopaths come and go, but to have so much of her district, and in the case of Trump the country as a whole, get this kind of support is the real concern.

    Ultimately socalled populist candidates come out of a context of very substantial income and wealth inequality. As we know both of these have peaked over the last decades, and so we are ripe for this now. The real irony in the case of Trump: zero of his economic policies went to help the very same middle to lower class citizens who became a core of his MAGA cult followers, starting w/ a $1.1T tax break to the rich and famous, almost none of which went to drive economic expansion, jobs, etc. And then the trade war w/ China: some $60B extra paid by US consumers. Then there is attempts to disable health care, medicaid expansion and so forth.

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    Politics aside,,. The good news is the US is starting to make some real headway with the vaccination numbers, a combination of safeguards, vaccinations, & existing antibodies could really drive the numbers lower at some point, just a bit more patience could go a long way,,. Things could look a lot different by the end of summer?

    Unfortunately Canada has stubbled out of the starting gate with vaccine procurement, more then a bit concerning with the new variants getting around,,.

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    I am qualified to receive the vaccine for medical reasons but one cannot find anywhere with the vaccine. Our governor does a daily press release on all the vaccinations and adding new groups while people are complaining of 80+ year old parents who cannot find a location that has the vaccine, teachers that cannot get a vaccine etc. I check daily and no one is taking appointments because they do not have the vaccine. For my part, I would rather see the elderly get it before I do - and teachers. I can work from home and am socially inept and isolated without a pandemic anyway. LOL.

    All the typical political theater and self-congratulatory press releases followed by backlash because it is BS.
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    I think some of the problems stem from a deep seated belief by Republican voters that any sense of making health care available to people who are not in the same family or gun club as them must be a commie plot.

    Hence the atrocious health system in the USA is due to 45% of the population working to destroy it.

    Then the icing on the cake is that despite refusing to have the vaccine themselves the MAGATs would rather see the vaccine doses thrown in the trash than be jabbed into the arm of a Democrat.

    All of that hampers the logistics.

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    It seems that new COVID-19 cases have plummeted in the USA since about 20th January. I wonder why?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidaMile View Post
    It seems that new COVID-19 cases have plummeted in the USA since about 20th January. I wonder why?!?
    Are the New Year Day celebration hangovers still lingering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RidaMile View Post
    It seems that new COVID-19 cases have plummeted in the USA since about 20th January. I wonder why?!?
    Actually, a world wide phenomena, getting the Thanksgiving and Christmas bumps out of the way, perhaps?

    If folks could just hang in with the safety protocols for another 6 weeks, things could start to look way different,,. A combination of vaccination's, population immunity, and safety protocols will converge in the weeks to come to drive the numbers even lower,,. In Canada weave got off to a bad start with poor Vaccine supply however the US vaccination's are approaching 2 million daily and then eventually 3 million per day, things could be a lot different by the middle of summer,,!!

    Some key facts, although somewhat outdated already,,.

    The United States is leading the world in total vaccine doses administered with 32.2 million as of Feb. 1, according to the University of Oxford’s Our World in Data project, followed by China (24 million), the United Kingdom (9.79 million), Israel (4.99 million) and India (3.95 million).

    Israel has the highest vaccination rate, having administered 57.65 doses per 100 people, followed by the United Arab Emirates (34.79 per 100 people), U.K. (14.42), Bahrain (10.16) and the U.S. (9.63).

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=7dc2c40f1b3b

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    Here is an interesting chart regarding the different types of virus vaccines that have been developed, which even includes their cost. This chart was published in my local newspaper yesterday.
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    The USA is doing well with the vaccination program Richard. Good to see, considering that every other aspect of the COVID-19 situation has been handled so poorly.

    500,000 deaths....
    but tomorrow another 60,000 or so 'Murrcan folk will get confused about how and when to wash their hands, keep their distance and wear a mask and somehow manage to catch COVID-19 anyway. Fancy that.

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    Last night I received a letter from Kaiser Permanente advising me that I was now eligible to receive a vaccine shot and I could call a special telephone number to obtain a reservation to get the vaccination. I plan on calling this morning. I hope the battery of my Snoopy phone, or my patience, will last until my call is answered. The medical plan has about 275,000 people my age or older that will need to get the shot, so their vaccination system is pretty much jammed up according to news reports.
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    Yesterday afternoon I had my second vaccine (Moderna). This morning my arm is sore, my head hurts and I feel worse all over than I do anywhere else.

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    I know two folks who had second doses and report the same. I wish I could get the first dose but it is a slow and confusing slog in NJ. Lots of emails from the State about the vaccination program but no one has vaccines. Lots of fake smoke and no fire.
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    After being on hold for 45 minutes, my call was answered by a boiler room that was booking appointments for Kaiser for the entire state. I got an appointment at the Kaiser hospital located 10 miles away next Monday at 9:05. The were giving out appointments at 5 minute intervals. I go to the same location where I received my flu shot last fall. When I got my flu shot I rode my motorcycle there and just pushed it along in the line of cars. But this time I should probably drive my car there.
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