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    What about places like Israel and Gibraltor? Hospitals are full of people who have been vaccinated.

    From what I've read...however suspect you may believe that to be ...If you have a reaction to the 2nd vaccine shot and even die but you're not past the 14 days, the hospitals count you as unvaccinated. Even though you had the second shot, and even if the negative reaction is from the vaccine. It makes me very suspect on any of the data from either side. But I'm going with the idea that where there's smoke, there's fire. I believe statistics don't lie...only the people making up the statistics lie.

    If you look at a chart of COVID cases, it rose dramatically once the vaccines were released to the public. Why is that? When no one had a vaccine in 2020, the COVID cases were quite low in comparison to 2021. Deaths followed the same curve.

    I thought Senator Johnson had a very valid point on how the narrative changes continually.

    Johnson reminded the public how President Biden stated on July 21 that those who got the shot are immune from getting COVID.

    ...The narrative then changed from “getting the shot will protect you from COVID” to “getting the shot will protect you from COVID complications.” Simultaneously, the message “the government must protect the unvaccinated from the virus” (hence the CDC recommending mask for everyone) changed into “the government must protect vaccinated from unvaccinated,” as the president put it when announcing a slew of vaccine mandates.

    It remained unclear why the vaccinated people needed the government’s protection from the unvaccinated folks on top of the protection they presumably got from the “safe and “effective” and “lifesaving” vaccines.
    So we went from getting the vaccine (aka experimental gene injection) to protect ourselves, to getting it to protect unvaxxed people, to wearing masks because the unvaxxed people could infect us...where's the logic in any of that. What it seems to be saying is that "you" get the vaccine for some undefined reason and "you" still get to go around in fear. Plus, if there's any truth to the side-effects that are happening, then you were perfectly healthy and living a good life before getting vaxxed, and now you watch your life being destroyed. That really doesn't make sense.


    One thing I'm also watching, is that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are being used successfully around the world now where the vaccines aren't available. Merck and Pfizer have their own pill versions that supposedly are effective against COVID. So will vaccines and booster shots still be required? If so, why? And why would they be used under an EUA? To be clear, the EUA means first that no other type of medical remedy is available...which there will be...and that if you take the jab, you have no recourse to any adverse effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwatchmaker View Post
    "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight." Proverbs 12:22 King James version.

    As serial liars go, Senator Johnson is right up there with ex-president Trump, who according to the Washington Post told more than 20,000 lies during his four years in office.

    It defies comprehension that people who profess to be Christians are able to glorify people like Trump and Johnson. They, along with many others of the same ilk, who perpetuate these many lies, appear to lack any semblance of Christian morals.
    It's good to see some of you guys suddenly get religion. It makes my heart go pitter-patter.

    But I can't believe you're still letting Trump live in your head rent free. It's kinda hard to blame Trump on this one. First, all the Democrat politicians were adamantly against the virus while Trump was in office. Then on January 21st was it? when Brandon was sworn in, all the Democrats were suddenly pro-vaccine. Nothing changed but the politics. Two truths that are diametrically opposed can't both be right. Either the vaccines were unsafe before, and unsafe under the new admin...or they were safe under both admins. You can't have it both ways.

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    Chris, A typo? Did you mean to say "adamantly against the vaccine" (not "virus")? Surely nobody was ever FOR the virus, or did you mean all the Democrat politicians were Covid deniers and had a sudden conversion? I am genuinely confused, but that is not surprising considering the intricacies of US politics government and governance. Good luck!
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    Posted with the best intentions, section 7 in the following link looks to be particularly relevant based on some of the prior posts in this thread.

    https://www.nhs.uk/every-mind-matter...-at-home/#news

    Keep smiling and we'll get through this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by IanA View Post
    Chris, A typo? Did you mean to say "adamantly against the vaccine" (not "virus")? Surely nobody was ever FOR the virus, or did you mean all the Democrat politicians were Covid deniers and had a sudden conversion? I am genuinely confused, but that is not surprising considering the intricacies of US politics government and governance. Good luck!
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    No typo, Ian. One of the news channels (not Fox), showed Pelosi and Harris, and some other like Schumer I think...maybe Biden. Anyway they showed video footage of how these people were totally dead set against the vaccines. Until Biden came into office, and then they were the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    Our politics are not that hard to understand. We have some people who want to see a socialist or communist government and are doing all they can to make that happen. The "Great Reset" and Biden's campaign slogan "Build Back Better" are going towards the same thing. You can't build anything back, till what was there before is destroyed. What they say is one thing; but what they are doing fits right into the goals of the Great Reset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxerBits View Post
    Posted with the best intentions, section 7 in the following link looks to be particularly relevant based on some of the prior posts in this thread.

    https://www.nhs.uk/every-mind-matter...-at-home/#news

    Keep smiling and we'll get through this.

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    Section 7 is good advice. Stay away from the news. I follow the news to a point, and then there's times when it just keeps repeating itself. A couple years ago, I rode down the west coast to Palo Alto. Our youngest daughter was going to defend her thesis, which would be the last step towards getting her PhD. Then there was about a week of partying and celebration. And then two weeks in Iceland that the two sisters decided was a good way to celebrate this. Then a week or so to come back home from California. All told, I'll bet I was out of the "news" cycle for over a month. When I turned the "news" back on, it was like nothing had changed. The same stories as before.

    Around here, we get a lot of rain. The snow is in the mountains. So when it snows in Seattle, it is big "news". For days before, the weatherman is telling us all how bad the storm will be, even if only an inch or two will hit. And then the next morning, even if the snow didn't come, there will be a newsman out on the street showing us all how bad it isn't. It's all to generate ratings and profits.

    At the risk of you guys all getting religious on me , let me quote a passage for you.

    Matthew 24:32-33 (NKJV)
    2 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
    I just try to keep abreast of what I see happening to take care of myself and my Family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post

    From what I've read...however suspect you may believe that to be ...If you have a reaction to the 2nd vaccine shot and even die but you're not past the 14 days, the hospitals count you as unvaccinated. Even though you had the second shot, and even if the negative reaction is from the vaccine.
    Not true in the UK.

    There are 4 distinct vaccination categories that fatalities are registered against.


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    You die at 14 days post second jab recorded as received the second dose, less than 21 days ago NOT unvaccinated.

    Hope that clears that up. Feel free to repost that on any other forums you come across that are labouring under this falsehood.
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    Wearing mask is the best option so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkThomas69 View Post
    Wearing mask is the best option so far
    Even that is suspect for me, Mark.

    We were supposed to be locked down for two weeks to "flatten the curve". Well, that extended to two years. We were told to get the vaccine to protect our loved ones and that we'd be immune from being reinfected. Then that changed to where if you have the vaccine, you're supposed to wear a mask again for protection. Either the vaccine works, or the vaccine doesn't work. It can't be both ways. If the vaccine is no longer a vaccine, but something that lessens my symptoms...then does that mean my symptoms go down to something like the common cold...another coronavirus like the flu? If so, we've lived with coronaviruses for thousands of years.

    And when will we ever ditch the masks? In a year? Ten years? Our lifetimes? The goalposts keep moving.

    Would you trust anyone who did experiments on live beagles? Who locked their heads in cages with flesh-eating flies and cut the dog's vocal cords, so their cries couldn't be heard? Or someone who did experiments with orphan kids, killing many. But no one noticed because they had no family? I wouldn't. Yet that's what we've been doing for two years. Trusting someone who lies and does things that, would be war crimes in any sane society.

    The same man who did that, is the same man who actively funded and directed the "gain of function" research at the Wuhan lab. Does anyone realize what "gain of function" means? It is weaponizing a virus. Bio-warfare. There's no rational sane reason to go down this path unless you plan to use it. And this is the same man who tells me that I must wear multiple layers of masks to be safe.



    And I'm supposed to wear a mask for what? To protect me? To protect others? I put a mask on to cut some sheet rock, and it did nothing. I could taste the sheet rock just as well as if I'd had no mask on at all. And how many times larger is sheet rock dust than the water droplets we have in our breath? A thousand times larger? Ten thousand times larger?

    I see all the "elites" in our politics ditch the mask when it suits them, but tell us to wear one. Something tells me that they don't believe a mask works either. Actions speak much louder than words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post

    .......I put a mask on to cut some sheet rock, and it did nothing. I could taste the sheet rock just as well as if I'd had no mask on at all. And how many times larger is sheet rock dust than the water droplets we have in our breath? A thousand times larger? Ten thousand times larger?
    Excellent critical analysis of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing the chances of virus transmission, if you could now just peer publish your research and we can pass the findings/results on to these guys, who are clearly not that switched on.

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    Happy day's, had my booster jab this week. No side effects apart from a little tenderness on the arm for a day or two.

    The following link is to a genuinely verifiable study that's currently been conducted by King's College London KCL and the National Health Service NHS in the UK into the Pandemic. Hopefully it will add a little truth, openness and clarity for some on what we've all been living through recently.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/

    Apart from being a participant in answering general questions on how the households feels on a regular basis for the last 15 months or so, I've no connection with either KCL or the NHS.


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    I wish you well, Nigel. I'm still concerned though.

    Years ago when Lasik surgery first came out, a co-worker of mine went up to British Columbia to have her eyes operated on. Because of the distance, she had both eyes done at the same time. And after all, there was a 99.7% chance of the surgery being successful. She came out of the surgery and was in the waiting room along with others who had had the surgery. All the other patients were exclaiming how great it was that they could see so well now. Well, she couldn't. She was seeing six images out of each eye, like looking through a kaleidoscope. Over time, her vision improved so that she only saw three images in each eye. Night driving was totally out, with three times the glare now. It destroyed her life.

    And it also showed me that there are real people in that 0.3% that didn't have a successful outcome. It's not just meaningless numbers.


    So here are some other "news" articles that may or may not be "true"...

    Michael Granata: 56-year-old California man dead 10 weeks after Moderna mRNA injection, warns others “don’t do it unless you want to suffer and die”
    GILROY, CALIFORNIA — A 56-year-old engineer and business owner is dead, but refused to die in vain as he used his obituary to warn others about the evils surrounding the “vaccine” agenda.

    Mr. Michael Granata received his first Moderna mRNA injection on August 17. He did not want to get the shot “for fear that [I] might die.” But his doctor continually insisted that the mRNA injections were in Mr. Granata’s best interest. So he “gave into the pressure” and almost instantly regretted it.
    Cardiologist Who Vowed Not to Cry for Unvaccinated Deaths Dies in Sleep 2 Weeks After 3rd Jab


    COVID SURGE IN BELGIUM: “THEY ARE ALL VACCINATED”
    Antwerp hospitals in Belgium are beginning to get concerned. With a high fully vaccinated rate, they are getting overwhelmed with patients testing positive for COVID-19, and “they are all vaccinated.”
    Michigan School System Closes After ‘Large Number’ of Teachers Become Ill from COVID Shot

    Swedish doctors want Pfizer’s covid jab banned after subcontractor fraud exposed
    A paper published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) reveals that the company, called Ventavia Research Group, heavily manipulated the phase III study for Pfizer’s Chinese Virus injection during the fall of 2020, just months before it was rushed into production and distribution at “warp speed” by the Trump administration.

    A company whistleblower came forward with the revelations, which prompted a group of 16 Swedish doctors and researchers to circulate a petition calling on the Pfizer jab to no longer be administered in the Nordic country.
    Pfizer modifies COVID vaccine formulation for children, secretly adding heart attack drug that presents new health risks

    Why would they do that? Could it be that all the heart and lung issues that are happening as side-effects, need to be mitigated before killing more kids? European countries have halted giving injections to those under 30, but the CDC and FDA want 5 year olds to get the vax.


    One last one that should give anyone pause...
    COMPARISON OF OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT REPORTS SUGGEST FULLY VACCINATED ARE DEVELOPING ACQUIRED IMMUNODEFICIENCY SYNDROME
    A comparison of official government reports in the United Kingdom suggests that those who are fully vaccinated are quickly developing acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS). Complete immune system degradation (100% failure) can be expected by Christmas.
    I'm reading reports of hospital emergency rooms being filled with "sick" people at higher percentages than normal. But of course, there's no correlation.


    Here's one issue that few are talking about regarding the vax mandates. In the USA, you sign a release waiver absolving the drug company of any liability because you're taking an experimental drug. Your company or the government is telling you that you must take the vax or lose your job. But if you get an adverse reaction...will you even get worker's comp? I don't think so. So you are forced into taking a potentially hazardous injection and if something wrong happens...you're holding the bag. Sort of like my friend getting her safe eye surgery.

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    You posts on this thread as if you have some in depth knowledge on the subject. In reality you are just reposting links to other sites of very dubious authenticity and little credibility.

    I'd have thought that with your beliefs, you would be providing support to your community. In reality you
    continually give credibility to these lies, and ridicule members of your own community, for wearing a mask as if it was some political statement.

    It might be in your own small community, that you have no first hand experience of the dreadful effects of catching the virus. Conversely others on this site have lost family and friends to it yet you show no compassion!

    What is your agenda?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post

    Here's one issue that few are talking about regarding the vax mandates. In the USA, you sign a release waiver absolving the drug company of any liability because you're taking an experimental drug. Your company or the government is telling you that you must take the vax or lose your job. But if you get an adverse reaction...will you even get worker's comp? I don't think so. So you are forced into taking a potentially hazardous injection and if something wrong happens...you're holding the bag. Sort of like my friend getting her safe eye surgery.

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    Covid 19 vaccines are covered under the Countermeasures Scheme in the US are they not? In which case you have an avenue to seek compensation should you suffer an adverse reaction to any of the approved Covid 19 countermeasures.
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    I have no agenda other than hoping for a balanced discussion.

    I post links to articles because places like Facebook censor opinions that don't fit the agenda they have. Same with the MSM. Do a search on "Pfizer VP warns". Will you see his concerns on Facebook? Probably not. It's up to the reader to determine if they have any truth in them, or not.

    I have some very valid concerns about the safety of these so-called vaccines. We should call them what they really are...experimental gene therapy injections. Vaccines typically stay in the injection area. These mRNA injections travel throughout the body. There are some concerns about them turning off your autoimmune system by scientists and doctors. Everyone in my family is vaccinated except me. Do you think I take that lightly? I'm very concerned that I will watch my family get something like the flu...and not be able to recover from it because they took this experimental gene therapy.

    Even Bill Gates has admitted the "vaccines" aren't that effective. And he's one of the people bankrolling (and profiting) from the "vaccine" push.

    Keep in mind that as I said in the last post, this is an experimental gene therapy. It was approved as under a EUA only because no other method of treating the COVID virus was available...although that proved to be a lie. The elites wanted to push this through for their own agenda.
    • The vaccine manufacturer has no liability for any adverse effects that may happen to you from taking the "experimental gene therapy".
    • Your company that forces you to take the "experimental gene therapy" has no liability for forcing you to take the "experimental gene therapy" as a condition of employment, even if you end up bed-ridden for the rest of your life.
    • The businesses that won't let you in till you take the "experimental gene therapy", have no liability if you take the "experimental gene therapy" in order to shop there, but die in the process.
    • But you get stuck with the consequences.


    It would be one thing if we were discussing a "normal" flu or tetanus vaccine. They've been thoroughly tested. If something happens to you as a result of taking the vaccine, you have some recourse. Here...nada. And whistleblowers are revealing the testing for the Pfizer "vaccine" was falsified.

    There are so many bogus things about this vaccine that should make anyone who really thinks about what's happening, pause. For instance, why is the USA's FDA pushing to get children as young as 5 years old vaccinated? Several European countries are so concerned about the adverse effects that they are banning people younger than 30 from getting the injections. Both cannot be right.

    I think it was the Asian Bird Flu under Obama's administration had a vaccine produced. About 5 people died as a result of the vaccine, before it was pulled from use. How many in the USA have died from the COVID vaccinations? 17,000? And yet the CDC and FDA are still pushing to get more and more people vaxxed. That should be a definite cause for worry.

    Think you're safe? Read the link about the cardiologist who scorned those who wouldn't get vaxxed...and then died from the vax suddenly.
    Yes, there is an agenda. What it is, I don't know.

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    A balanced discussion assumes that you have some creditable knowledge on the subject that you have rambled extensively about.

    It is very clear that you lack one iota of credibility.

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    I wish her well.

    This is a real strong reason why I will do everything I can to not get the vaccine.

    Meet the NIH Doctor Who Opposes Federal COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates, Won’t Take the Jab Himself

    “There’s a lot of debate within the NIH about whether [a vaccine mandate] is appropriate,” NIH bioethicist David Wendler, who has been tasked with the debate, told the WSJ. “It’s an important, hot topic.”
    In a July email to Fauci and other colleagues, Memoli argued that the mandates were “extraordinarily problematic” and that the way the novel COVID-19 vaccine was being used was “wrong.”
    If the vaccine was totally safe, this would be a slam-dunk decision for anyone to get the vaccine. But when people intimately involved with the vaccine are saying "No"...then I'm not so dumb to want to wait.

    Taiwan Halts Rollout of Second Pfizer Dose for Teens Due to Widespread Heart Problems

    So many young people are developing myocarditis and other associated heart problems from the first Pfizer Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine dose that the government of Taiwan has halted administration of the second dose.

    Unlike the United States which cares only about money, all human life be damned, Taiwan decided that it is simply too risky to continue injecting teenagers with Fauci Flu shots. And the country is not even considering injecting children under the age of 12 with the poison.
    It's not just Taiwan halting the injections, but if you read my previous posts, several European countries have also. Why are other countries halting injections, while others aren't? And if it is hazardous for certain age groups...is it healthy for others? Again, I'll wait.

    I'm not anti-vaccines. I've had the flu shot for the last 48 years, plus vaccines to go on mission trips to foreign countries. But this is not like the others.

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    Now tell us how you really feel.

    Chris
    Since you ask, based on the look and feel of your contributions to this thread, I have a suspicion that you need a little help with your mental well-being at the moment.

    The following may be of some use to you.

    https://www.mind.org.uk/information-...our-wellbeing/

    Keep safe and best avoid some of the dubious sites that you've been pursuing.

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    ...Keep safe and best avoid some of the dubious sites that you've been pursuing.
    In the link to the cardiologist who scorned the anti-vaxxers and then died three days after getting his booster shot, there's not much to be "dubious" about. He's either dead, or not.

    In another "dubious" article I saw today,

    19-yo Australian Equestrian Star Hospitalized with Blood Clots Days After Getting Vaxxed as Media Gaslights

    She posted on Instagram:I don’t even know where to begin. On Thursday 21st at 10am I had my 2nd shot. That night I woke up so sick- vomiting, fever, wet in sweat, heart palpitations, headache, sore muscles & joints like hell, blurry vision. I was in so much pain at this point crying I knew something was seriously wrong I’m the first person to dust it off and never cry.
    The next morning I went to the doctors who then sent me to the emergency hospital. I have been in the respiratory ward with clots all through my legs, stomach and through both lungs. The amount of clots on my lungs is equivalent to having broken ribs so a little painful & hard to breathe. As part of my treatment for my recovery I am now medicated & never have been in my life as a result of these I have internal bleeding & nose bleeds as one of the side effects of my medications along with a line of other things I choose to keep private. I had no medical issues, underlying conditions, not medicated for anything. Completely healthy. Never been sick.

    Crazy to think to the left pick I was turfing with my family riding horses and the next pick is me just after my vaccination. I now have numerous doctors & specialists for a minimum of 6-12 months this is my new normal. I have also been informed to not ride my horses, my motorbikes, & train- everything I am. Drive my car and go to work. I never wanted this jab & held off for as long as I could. I got it to keep my job. If you know me personally you know how hesitant & scared I was of getting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    I have no agenda other than hoping for a balanced discussion.
    You may believe you have no agenda but the websites you link to clearly do. There is an all prevailing political bias.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    Think you're safe? Read the link about the cardiologist who scorned those who wouldn't get vaxxed...and then died from the vax suddenly.
    And here is an example of how the websites you visit have worked, it is the incorrect use of the word "from" which should have course been "following", your objectivity has been removed, it may seem trivial but it is not.
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    Here's another website for you to explore Chris.

    https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/0...-get-involved/

    A sobering story on the negative effects on people's lives as a result of uninformed postings on the web by some.

    Feel free to provide links on the section "How to be a source of positivity online" in your future postings.




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    Some good news, the web may be a more truthful place after today. Alex Jones, not the delightful BBC presenter, but the vile individual that founded the infowars website, linked to in more than one of Daboo's post on this thread, as had his day in court and lost.

    He falsely claimed the horrific Sandy Hook shooting incident never occurred it was a hoax, a conspiracy made up by the gun control lobby and of course the Main Stream Media

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...chool_shooting

    Families of some of the victims have taken him to court for defamation and won.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ng-connecticut
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-cases.html

    Spare a thought for some of these parents. They loose a young child in an unimaginable manner and then receive death threats from supporters, believers in the BS that Alex Jones post.

    He now faces finical ruin as damages will be awarded. The days were you can simply post any old nonsense online and be immune from the repercussion may be coming to an end.

    I personally would not be taking Covid or vaccine advice from such an individual's website (or to be fair any other advice).
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    I just returned from getting my third Moderna booster shot. Attached is a photo of the line to get into the vaccination clinic at Kaiser Hospital. I took this picture while I was about halfway down the line. If I die and turn into a Zombie due to the booster shot, I will be sure to let you know.
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    After receiving my third shot yesterday, last night my shoulder was a little sore at the injection site, but not as bad as the previous shots or the flu shot that I had last month. Otherwise I am feeling no different than any other morning. No headache, fever, chills or tiredness. But I am dreaming of having some Kellogg's sugar frosted Zombie brain cereal for breakfast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    After receiving my third shot yesterday, last night my shoulder was a little sore at the injection site, but not as bad as the previous shots or the flu shot that I had last month. Otherwise I am feeling no different than any other morning. No headache, fever, chills or tiredness. But I am dreaming of having some Kellogg's sugar frosted Zombie brain cereal for breakfast.
    Hay Richard, any sign of tingling in your fingers or toes or your bike key sticking to your fore head,,, all early warning symptom's of the Tin Hat Syndrome said to be caused by the Vaccine's,,.

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    Hay Richard, any sign of tingling in your fingers or toes or your bike key sticking to your fore head,,, all early warning symptom's of the Tin Hat Syndrome said to be caused by the Vaccine's,,.
    Well I do believe I am getting signals from Jewish Space Lasers. I really do need to put on my Aluminum Hat so that the rays will bounce off of my head.
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    In the news that didn't make the "news" on CNN, MSNBC, etc...

    MORE PEOPLE DIED IN KEY CLINICAL TRIAL FOR PFIZER’S COVID VACCINE THAN THE COMPANY PUBLICLY REPORTED

    Pfizer somehow miscounted – or publicly misreported, or both – the number of deaths in one of the most important clinical trials in the history of medicine.And the FDA’s figures paint a notably more worrisome picture of the vaccine than the public July numbers. Though the absolute numbers are small, overall deaths were 24 percent higher among vaccine recipients.
    The update also shows that 19 vaccine recipients died between November and March, compared to 13 placebo recipients – a difference of almost 50 percent.
    Just for reference purposes, the Asian Bird Flu vaccine was halted when they reached 5 deaths. Five. And we are now over 17 thousand for the COVID vaccine that doesn't work. Why are we continuing killing people?


    WHY BILL GATES IS PIVOTING ON EXISTING COVID VACCINES

    In a surprising interview, Bill Gates said the following: “We didn’t have vaccines that block transmission. We got vaccines that help you with your health, but they only slightly reduce the transmission. We need new ways of doing vaccines.”
    If it wasn't about real people, it would be laughable. Gates looks at these vaccines the way he looks at software. Write the code. Try it out. If it doesn't work, bring it back and rewrite the code. We used to say that the public were Microsoft's beta testers...even though we paid a lot of money for the products. The company I worked for when I was in IT wouldn't just blindly install the software updates till it had been out in the public for months...simply because it was often buggy. Just like these vaccines are by Gates' own admission.



    Top 10 signs that Covid vaccines are BIOWEAPONS and much more lethal than Covid-19 itself

    Top 10 signs that Covid vaccines are BIOWEAPONS being used for genocide and depopulation

    #1. Autopsies of the Covid-vaccinated reveal billions of spike proteins throughout the vascular system, polluting vital cleansing organs and the brain.
    #2. Nano-particle injections are causing myocarditis because the heart is straining to pump blood past all the microscopic “clots.”
    #3. Healthy people, including athletes and military members, are dropping dead from “unidentifiable causes” within hours or days after getting the China Flu jabs.
    #4. Vaccinated people are slowly and methodically losing their immune system function and suffering from antibody-dependence enhancement syndrome (ADE) and AIDS-like debilitation of white blood cells.
    #5. The virus was made in a laboratory in Communist China and the vaccines are being pushed on the populace Nazi-style.
    #6. Deaths from Covid-19 are still prominent among “fully vaccinated” people.
    #7. Rare blood clots and aggressive cancer tumors are popping up in strange places in the Covid-vaccinated.
    #8. The globalists who outwardly speak of depopulation using vaccines are the ones promoting the Covid jabs the most right now.
    #9. The unvaccinated are being treated like the Jews of Nazi Germany; ostracized, blamed for everything that’s wrong, and deprived of jobs and normal living.
    #10. Even the FDA and CDC admit the Covid vaccines do not keep you from catching Covid or transmitting it to others, so what’s their REAL purpose?
    Hmmm...I can give you links to news articles on each of those, so they aren't so far-fetched or dubious as you may want to believe.

    I hope all this blows away in six months.

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    In the news that didn't make the "news" on CNN, MSNBC, etc...
    That's because the value their credibility unlike yourself.





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    An "echo chamber" is what you get when only one viewpoint is allowed.
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    The press is full of individual Covid deniers/antivaxxers that have succumbed to this virus and normally I would not post about this, I don’t believe it serves any purpose. However there was one case that caught my eye which members may not be aware off and did make me laugh but not because anybody died.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1952410.html
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...t-48-1.6238751
    https://wikimsn.com/mak-parhar/

    Prominent hard-line Covid denier and antivax campaigner Mak Parhar, got a cold, chills, fatigue it was not covid because covid is not real, he took ivermectin (although why he took a livestock dewormer for a cold I don’t know) and sadly died,We have yet to learn what actually killed Mr Parhar, Covid-19? Reaction to ivermectin? We know it was not a vaccine. And there the matter, like poor Mr Parhar, may have lain but for one thing that caught my eye. Mr Parhar was due to attend court for breaking quarantine laws (he was unable due to his illness) He had failed to quarantine following a return to Canada after a visit to the Flat Earth International Convention in Dallas and my immediate thought was that some cheeky little journalist is having a laugh at poor Mr Parhar expense, somebody will spot it, report it, he’ll apologise and a retraction will be printed. But no astonishingly it was true and yes they actually believe the earth is flat.

    http://fe2019.com/about/

    Apparently the earth is not a sphere but flat, you will be glad to hear you cannot fall of the edge due to a huge ice wall that surrounds it’s perimeter which made me a little more concerned about global warming but fear not as that is not true either. It is all a conspiracy with NASA at the helm, no mention of the Soviet, Chinese, Indian, European space agencies, or the now private space ventures but I’m assuming, despite deep political differences, on this key issue they all agree, we must keep the secret that the earth is in fact flat.

    But that got me thinking, how many others must be involved in this collusion? Those who have crossed the polar regions and not brought back stories of the great ice wall, all those who have circumnavigated the globe, not just by boat, some have flown, some have used other methods of propulsion, it’s a lot of people, including this guy

    who non of you will know, Mark Beaumont. I meet him briefly, he held the record for the fastest self-supported circumnavigation of the globe by bicycle. Over 18,000 miles in 194 days carrying all you camping gear, I thought it was quite an achievement and told him so, he was modest and now I realise why. There is no globe he must be in on it too he clearly didn’t do it, couple of laps around the local park to get some photoshopped pictures then feet up in front of the telly for the rest of the day.

    In around 240 BC Eratosthenes, egged on by Aristotle starting the conspiracy a hundred years early, calculated the radius and circumference of the earth and came to a staggeringly close 5% of the accepted value today, but of course he must have been in on it too.

    From the Ancient Greeks to NASA, form Christopher Columbus to some guy that likes to pedal a bike a bit, from everybody who has ever watch a ship disappear behind the sea’s horizon we are all in on it.

    Or maybe just maybe there is no conspiracy.
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    We get the flat earth guys demonstrating along Kings Parade on occasions. Normally a polite if ever so slightly eccentric group. A fun couple of hours for most ending up in the Eagle.

    Still no side effects from the booster jab, well apart from setting off the anti theft alarm at the local bookshop every time I pass along the pavement pass their front door.



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    Scottish Lockdowns Vs. Swedish Freedom — Who Won?
    STORY AT-A-GLANCE
    • In a short documentary, CAN Films explored pandemic outcomes in Scotland, which began requiring vaccine passports October 1, 2021, with those of Sweden, which rejected forced lockdowns in favor of voluntary measures
    • With half the population of Sweden, Scotland scored a higher excess death rate for 2020, with much more restrictive pandemic responses
    • Sweden fared better than Scotland on many pandemic outcome measures, including excess deaths, weight gain, alcohol-related deaths, inflation and economic viability
    • Sweden did not mandate face masks at any point during the pandemic and, in July 2021, also dropped their “vague recommendation” to wear one at all
    • Scotland implemented a vaccine passport requirement October 1, 2021; backlash from hospitality and other groups has ensued
    Another so-called expert from the Flat Earth Society...

    Bayer executive says covid mRNA shots are “gene therapy” falsely marketed as “vaccines”

    Stefan Oelrich, the president of Bayer’s pharmaceuticals division, admitted to international “experts” during a recent globalist health conference that both of the mRNA (messenger RNA) “vaccines” from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna are not vaccines at all, but rather “cell and gene therapy” injections in disguise.

    At the recent World Health Summit, which took place in Berlin from October 24-26, 6,000 attendees from 120 countries got to hear Oelrich say this. They also got to hear him explain that had these injections been marketed as what they actually are, most people probably would have rejected them.

    “We are really taking that leap [to drive innovation] – us as a company, Bayer – in cell and gene therapies … ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy, Oelrich said.

    Jordan Peterson: Government Adviser Told Me COVID Rules Based on Opinion Polls, Not Science“In relation to the COVID restrictions, I talked to a senior adviser to one of the provincial governments a couple of weeks ago,” said Peterson.

    “He told me flat out that the COVID policy here is driven by nothing but opinion polls related to the popularity of the government,” he added.


    “No science, no endgame in sight, no real plan, and so what that means is that the part of the population that is most afraid of COVID,” are driving the policy.
    And one of those comments is something to concern ourselves with. There's no endgame in sight. This was supposed to be a two-week lockdown. Instead at two years, we see some parts of the world pushing even stricter measures. It's like once a government official tasted power, they will do anything to keep that power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. When you get laid in your coffin...will you still have a mask on?

    Guy sitting next to me in his Prius at a traffic light had his N95 mask on. No one was in his car but him. The windows were rolled up. Why???


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    And speaking of died suddenly;
    In the late 60s & early 70s I had a number of friends die suddenly.
    Their deaths spread equally between the Viet Nam war, motorcycle crashes and drug overdoses.
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    And there was a discernable cause to those sudden deaths, wasn't there? Is there now?

    Got any wars today leaving people searching Google for answers? Probably not. And whether you guys want to believe it or not, I don't sit on my computer for 18 hours a day searching Google for "sudden deaths". Even if I did, I doubt it would even show up as a blip on the search statistics. So a lot of people around the world are asking that question. And there has to be a reason.


    You can say it is just a crazy article, but when two countries have vastly different COVID procedures...and have two vastly different outcomes...you would expect there to be some correlation in things. But "logic" isn't working here. Scotland has some onerous lockdown procedures...but high rates of infection. Sweden has a life as usual approach...and extremely low rates of infection. Is there cause and effect? The same thing is happening in other countries around the world. More stringent lockdowns and virus mandates correlates with more infections.

    If you could speak the language and had no encumbrances like family to consider...which country would you move to, if given the choice? Sweden? Or Scotland?

    We get the same choice here in the USA. Florida?...or California? Washington?...or South Dakota? Or Texas? Personally, I'm voting for South Dakota. The roads are great for riding and in great condition. And even if her policies aren't exactly as I'd like, Krisit Noem is a lot nicer to look at than Jay Inslee.

    So here is something worth reading that is off on a "bunny trail"...but may give some insight on where the global response to COVID started and why much of the world responded in lock step. Read through the article and see if you can spot the name of your country's leaders. I guarantee you'll see names of people in power today...and all spewing the same ideas. It is an eye opener.

    Exposed: Klaus Schwab's School For Covid Dictators, Plan for 'Great Reset' (Videos)

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    Fiction:-

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    ... Scotland has some onerous lockdown procedures...
    Fact:-

    None of the country's that make up the UK are in lockdown. This has been the case for some months now. For Scotland, specifically the verifiable facts can be found at

    https://www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/
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    https://publichealthscotland.scot/

    As usual Chris, why let the truth get in the way of another rambling posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post

    You can say it is just a crazy article, but when two countries have vastly different COVID procedures...and have two vastly different outcomes...you would expect there to be some correlation in things. But "logic" isn't working here. Scotland has some onerous lockdown procedures...but high rates of infection. Sweden has a life as usual approach...and extremely low rates of infection. Is there cause and effect?
    Every one of the articles you link to in these misinformation websites does not stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

    Anybody with the slightest exposure to Scottish and Swedish culture understands the flaws in the comparison, compare like with like.



    Sweden was unique amongst the Nordic countries in not mandating strict lockdowns. It failed:-



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    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries


    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    The same thing is happening in other countries around the world. More stringent lockdowns and virus mandates correlates with more infections.

    Because most nations went into lockdown due to infection rates that their health services could not cope with, Nations that went into lockdown early faired a lot better.



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    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    Quick quiz two of the nations above went into early and heavy lockdown, two did not they imposed lockdown when the health services were getting overwhelmed. You ask the question Scotland or Sweden, neither, looks like New Zealand has plenty to offer.

    The question you should be asking yourself Daboo is why do these sites, with a certain political agenda, want you to believe in conspiracy theories?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGD109 View Post
    ...looks like New Zealand has plenty to offer.


    Since this is a motorcycle forum, I thought the video was rather fitting.

    It seems like when I do a search on "New Zealand COVID", I get protest videos. They must be enjoying life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post

    It seems like when I do a search on "New Zealand COVID", I get protest videos. They must be enjoying life.
    Unlike 789,928 USA Citizens who are no longer enjoying life (and counting)
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    I'm not sure what USA citizens have to do with New Zealand lockdowns.

    The numbers of USA deaths are grossly off. No one died of the flu. Just COVID. I think the average age of seniors dying was actually a couple years older than the average life expectancy. Motorcyclists who were taken to the hospital after an accident, were considered COVID deaths...even though the highway patrolman said it was clear the individual died at the scene. Nah...bogus data.

    I hope you get a good ride in today. Time will tell on this. In the meantime, go enjoy yourself.

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    Well I guess if someone on a cell phone or texting plows me on my M/C it will be a covid death???
    Even though I’ve have 2 pfizer shots & a booster?
    And Daboo, I hope you get in a safe ride also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    The numbers of USA deaths are grossly off. No one died of the flu. Just COVID. I think the average age of seniors dying was actually a couple years older than the average life expectancy. Motorcyclists who were taken to the hospital after an accident were considered COVID deaths...even though the highway patrolman said it was clear the individual died at the scene. Nah...bogus data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    ...

    It seems like when I do a search on "New Zealand COVID", I get protest videos.
    ...
    That will be down to your historic search history on your search engine. If you regularly search for a particular topic, then the result set is weighted towards to prior searches.

    As an example, when I use the same search string I get mainly details of travel advice to NZ from the UK.

    Must be down to the excessive amount of time that you search for doom and gloom stories on the internet and repost on this thread.


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    Still no adverse effects noted from the booster jab but I've started taking a different route home to avoid the bookshop.

    Had my flu jab this morning at the local surgery, administered by the same team who gave my my first two doses of the COVID jab earlier this year.

    Made me think, who do I believe when it comes to my health, safety and well-being.

    Do I believe the doctor who has looked after the family for decades, and has come out of retirement to help the practice look after the community that he lives in?

    Or do I believe a person who's sum of understanding of the subject amounts to internet searches masquerading as a "balanced discussion"?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    I'm not sure what USA citizens have to do with New Zealand lockdowns.
    Because I am responding to this wholly inaccurate statement:-

    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    The same thing is happening in other countries around the world. More stringent lockdowns and virus mandates correlates with more infections.
    I demonstrate it not to be true.

    Your response is to post videos of anti lockdown protesters in New Zealand as though this has any bearing on whether lockdown measure work or not, whether people like lockdown or not is separate to whether it works. I post the official covid fatality figures from the USA to emphasis that lockdown works.

    A better picture of whether New Zealand citizens are happy with the government's response or not i.e. lockdown is of course not random videos posted on the internet but the 2020 election which saw a landslide victory for the Labour Party led by Jacinda Ardern achieving the highest popular vote for a main party since 1951.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    ......The numbers of USA deaths are grossly off. No one died of the flu. Just COVID. I think the average age of seniors dying was actually a couple years older than the average life expectancy. Motorcyclists who were taken to the hospital after an accident, were considered COVID deaths...even though the highway patrolman said it was clear the individual died at the scene. Nah...bogus data.........
    Producing accurate figures quickly is difficult. In the UK we have an arbitrary 28 day figure. Covid positive before this day then despite what killed you recorded as covid after this then not. But this is just to give a quick and dirty daily figure. As you correctly state, have a traffic accident within 28 days of a positive you are recorded as covid fatality BUT also you can die of covid having not had a test in the previous 28 days and you are NOT recorded as a covid fatality. The UK ONS posts fatality numbers were covid is on the death certificate this data typically takes a number of weeks to compile and is therefore not current and tends not to get reported in the media it is usually about 10% MORE than the figures reported at the time.

    If you look at the USA excess death figures for 2020 it again strongly suggest the true figure of covid related fatalities to be higher than officially reported.



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    What an excellent resource! Thanks for posting it, "M". Oxford University, eh? Oughta be reliable...
    The data from the simple construct of "Excess Mortality" should bury forever the blank brained deniers who posit "Covid is a nonexistent fake".
    The other proposition I would like to see developed, is : If the "experimental gene therapy" (vaccine) was not available for the last 18 months pending testing, then what would that sad statistic , Excess Deaths per million of population, look like today? Would it have been hugely larger, despite the deaths attributable to adverse reactions?
    2020 ain't 2021. The delta strain changed the game with its vastly higher infection capability and we were(are) in deep shit without a means of ameliorating delta's effect. The vaccines, despite the adverse effects levels, did reduce advanced disease development, ICU deployment and potential loss of life
    There is no other way through this mess except for mass vaccination and continuing sensible anti infection measures. We will just have to put up with the inevitable corporate greed that sometimes poses as free market competition in supplying the goodies, but it beats the alternative! Nothing.
    Two years ago I participated in a clinical trial of a novel immunological therapy to tackle my recidivist blood cancer. Previous trials had a mortality rate of around 2%, and I copped the full neurotoxic effects which nearly killed me. I survived and have been in remission since. Why mention it? I firmly believe that you can't make an omelete without breaking eggs - we should be grateful for the mammoth effort by the tech saints who got us this far and are committed to finishing the job.

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