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    Hey everyone.

    Just wondering if anyone could recommend a good dash cam system that has a front and rear camera with a waterproof display?

    I have looked at a few brands but they seem either excessively priced ($300-400 AUD) or cheap Ali express quality (no thank you).

    I would like something below $200 AUD if possible.

    I am looking at the MotoProCam2 however adding SOS button and a memory card (does not come with one by default?) pumps the price up outside my range.

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    I have the Halocam M1. Purchased on Amazon over a year ago. Price was @$180 US. In my opinion, it is equivalent to one of the pricier and better known INNOVV K2 dash cams, and at half the cost.

    A couple thoughts as you look for a dash camera. You want the DVR portion to be waterproof...but don't think in terms of putting it on your handlebars. For one thing, all you'll see as you watch the waterproof screen, is yourself going into a ditch. The screen is useful only for aiming your cameras. Even in viewing your saved videos, I find it far easier and faster to simply remove the SD card and put it in my laptop.

    Here is probably the most important thing to consider. Buy the fastest SD card you can get. Size doesn't matter since the dash camera will "loop" when it fills up and record over the oldest file. I had problems initially because I bought a fast SD card, but it wasn't fast enough. You are recording two video streams plus an audio stream and GPS coordinates.

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    I have a V-SYS brand system. Very inexpensive and works great. They have a bunch of different models based on what you want (resolution, etc). I bought mine from AliExpress, but they also sell them in Amazon and eBay. I'm with Chris in that you don't need a screen or it to be waterproof. I keep the main unit under my seat. They have an app which allows you to connect a phone via built in wifi if you want to see a live stream or saved videos/pics, but I never use it. Instead, I remove the card and save files that way.

    I hooked the remote power on/off wire to my GPS lead so it comes on with the key and turns off 30 seconds after key is off with no chance to drain the battery.

    Check out a close call I caught with my rear camera. I don't know how he missed me.

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    I have the Innovv K2 and I tried the Halo, they are not in the same ballpark. By default the Innovv records at a higher bitrate for much better video quality, and there's a guy on their forum that mods the firmware to unlock an even higher bitrate level with the blessing of the Innovv crew. When manufacturers say 1080p, or 720p it's a poor way to describe video quality, it's pretty deceptive. I can record 720p video on my GoPro that is vastly better quality than even a 4k video at low a low bitrate. It may be a little more costly, but if it helps pick up a license plate from some idiot in a hit and run then it's worth way more than the extra cost. Disclaimer, it's not 'great' when compared to non-moto application cameras or action cams like my gopro, but it's one of the best application specific cameras I've found. The Thinkware M1 is probably the best available right now, but I couldn't get over how large the actual camera housings are and I wanted something more subtle.
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    Wow that was a close call, only thing I gotta watch here are Kangaroos but they're only really bad at dusk and dawn.

    Thanks for all the responses, you have given me some things to consider, I'll keep shopping around!

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    I've got a GoPro 4 Hero session with a 64Gb card it’s powered off the bike the 64Gb card lasts about 4~5 which is good for most trips out. If you don’t power the GoPro they do about 2 hours or so, easy cheap water-resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccramerusc View Post
    I have a V-SYS brand system. Very inexpensive and works great. They have a bunch of different models based on what you want (resolution, etc). I bought mine from AliExpress, but they also sell them in Amazon and eBay. I'm with Chris in that you don't need a screen or it to be waterproof. I keep the main unit under my seat. They have an app which allows you to connect a phone via built in wifi if you want to see a live stream or saved videos/pics, but I never use it. Instead, I remove the card and save files that way.

    I hooked the remote power on/off wire to my GPS lead so it comes on with the key and turns off 30 seconds after key is off with no chance to drain the battery.

    Check out a close call I caught with my rear camera. I don't know how he missed me.

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    @ccramerusc: what is this “...remote power on/off wire...” you speak about? I’m looking for a place to connect the yellow wire of the innovv k2- a power source that is on when the key is on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    I have the Halocam M1. Purchased on Amazon over a year ago. Price was @$180 US. In my opinion, it is equivalent to one of the pricier and better known INNOVV K2 dash cams, and at half the cost.


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    E30guy,

    I use the GPS power wire that is built into all f bikes. It can be found right next to the battery on the right side. It powers up with the key and powers down about 30 seconds after the key is off. That way I know that it won't draw down the battery when parked.

    I've also spliced my volt meter into that circuit.all my other accessories are wired through my fuse block to which I use my low beam as the remote turn on. That way ally other accessories are only on when the engine is running.

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    Andrew, in all fairness I have to point out that the pictures there were taken with the Sena 10C Pro. And yes, they are amazing. That camera is an "action camera" and while it can be used as a "dash" cam, that isn't what it is designed for. It's more of a GoPro competitor.

    The Halocam M1 is a true "dash" camera. It's install and forget. In other words, install it, and don't think about it till you get into an accident and need the camera footage. When you start the bike, it starts recording. When you stop the bike, it stops recording when the power is shut off.

    You can use the Halocam M1 as an action camera, but it really isn't designed for that purpose. I have mine mounted under the headlight in front. It does give a fun perspective when you watch the recordings. On a helmet cam, when you lean your head doesn't match that lean. But with a dash camera mounted on the bike itself, you get the full amount of the lean.

    I was going to post these on the Ride the Ribbon thread, but the forum software limits you to one video per post and I skipped it. When you look at it, keep in mind there's no image stabilization. One thing I find "interesting", is to look at the front fender that you can see at times. It'll give you an idea of how well the front suspension isolates the rest of the bike from road imperfections.

    I didn't take this section of road fast. While the pavement itself is in good condition, there's just too much sand, gravel and rocks strewn in the corners...along with a steep dropoff and probably no cell service to call an ambulance.



    I think you can look at all the videos here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2_..._as=subscriber

    From what I can see, all the dash cameras are becoming "commodity" items. In other words, it means that the difference from one to another is not great. They all use about the same components. They all perform about the same. The only differences being the quality (which you can discern from user reviews) and price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccramerusc View Post
    E30guy,

    I use the GPS power wire that is built into all f bikes. It can be found right next to the battery on the right side. It powers up with the key and powers down about 30 seconds after the key is off. That way I know that it won't draw down the battery when parked.

    I've also spliced my volt meter into that circuit.all my other accessories are wired through my fuse block to which I use my low beam as the remote turn on. That way ally other accessories are only on when the engine is running.

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    That’s great! I didn’t know about that. I’ll dig that out. Thanks!


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    Hello everybody.
    I'm interested in installing a dash cam system on my bike.
    I see you powered it through the GPS connector.
    I have a question: do the installation kits come with a suitable connector? is it a kind of plug and play? Or may be you need to build it?

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    Most kits come with wires designed to attach to the battery with an in-line fuse. I cut them to length and attached them to my fuseblock for power. The GPS wire only serves as a remote turn on as opposed to powering it.

    The biggest challenge was running the video cables to the cameras so that they can't be seen.

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    I thought that the GPS wire could serve any device to be powered by the key.
    I have purchased the VSYSTO kit, and it comes with the black and red connectors to battery, and a yellow one to "some key-powered item of the bike".
    Then I bought the GPS adaptor from BMW, that comes with 3 cables: +, - and a third one that I don't know what service can be...
    Now, initially I thought to connect the black and red to + and -, but I fear that if I don't connect the yellow one, the cameras won't be powered.
    May be the yellow wire have to be connected to the third wire of the BMW GPS adaptor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfio View Post
    I thought that the GPS wire could serve any device to be powered by the key.
    Yes it can. I chose to use it as a "remote turn on" for my dash cam system (the yellow wire) because I wanted it to come on with the key, and more importantly, stay on for a min or so when the key or engine is off. I have all my electronic accessories powered through a fuzeblock which is only powered when the engine is running. I used the low beam circuit as a remote turn on for the fuzeblock relay. My reasoning for using the GPS as a remote turn on for my dash cam was because I would want the cam to record after the engine is shut off like in the possibility of an accident. I could use the GPS wire as the remote turn on my fuzeblock, but I didn't want my lights, heated gear, etc. to power on unless the engine was already running.

    From my understanding, the VSYSTO kit doesn't require using the yellow wire because the unit is supposed to sense vibration and turn on/off automatically, but I don't trust it. I wanted to make sure that the unit completely shuts down so it doesn't kill my battery with the bike off. I chose to use the yellow wire which triggers a relay in the dash cam to power on/off. Any low amperage circuit will work. For me, the GPS line made the most sense, but you could just use a posi tap into any circuit that is powered when the bike is on/off. The tail light would be an easy one and is accessible assuming you will put the unit under your seat.

    The third wire in the GPS adaptor was used for some BMW specific GPS unit. Maybe something to do with speedometer. You don't need it, you only need the + and -.
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    Connect it the way the instructions say, red and black to battery. Yellow to the power lead on the gps connector. The 3rd wire is data for the Nav cradle controls.

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    Ok, I think I will do like that at the end.
    It is just, I don't like the idea to connect something directly to the battery. It is not... elegant
    What if I connect the red and black to the GPS connector through the adaptor, and the yellow to some other key-powered item, as 12v socket for example?
    On the paper, it should work... perhaps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfio View Post
    What if I connect the red and black to the GPS connector through the adaptor, and the yellow to some other key-powered item, as 12v socket for example?
    On the paper, it should work... perhaps...
    That is what I was trying to suggest. It would also accomplish the same as my setup, that is, to remain powered up for a min or so after the engine and/or key is off.

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    Great, thank you for your suggestion.
    In the meanwhile, Vsysto Customer Center replied to me like this: I can try to connect red and yellow both to positive side of GPS adaptor, and black to negative.
    It makes sense and it could make the setup much easier to build up.

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    The issue with connecting red to a switched source is that if you're in an accident and someone shuts the bike off for you it's more likely that you'll lose the last file that was in progress. The red wire keeps power going to the unit long enough for the unit to shut down properly and save the file.

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    mmmmh, good point, but I don't think it could happen: if I understood correctly, the main unit of the Vsysto system includes a battery that stands the time to close the recording... isn't it?

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    I have no idea how your specific camera works, none of the ones I've used will do that. The internal battery in mine is just for time keeping.
    You're obviously going to do whatever you want so I'm not sure why you're still asking questions Hack the wiring however you want then, it's your bike.

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    Well, I'm just trying to better understand the way how this works from people that know more than me, this independently from what I will finally do on my bike... sorry for bothering

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    Andrea, keep asking questions. It's how we all learn.

    The internal battery varies from one dash camera model to another. Some of them have a motion sensor that will start the camera up if the vehicle is jostled or moved. But from what I understand, that only works if you have a battery that can take that kind of drain for hours on end.

    My HaloCam M1 is wired to a delayed off circuit. Your idea of running it off the GPS wires ought to accomplish the same thing. It comes on when the ignition is turned on, and goes off about 30 seconds after the ignition is turned off. I wouldn't worry about the dash camera saving the last file. Set your file length to the minimum. If you're in an accident, the files leading up to the accident will capture enough details.

    Probably an important thing to keep in mind, is if you're in an accident, that someone thinks to get that memory card out for evidence.

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