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    Spec is 36/42, I ran between that and 32/36. Zero difference in road feel or handling. Based on pressure rise for a 'hot' tire there was no difference, I think the stiff GT sidewalls kept the them from heating up enough.
    I'm starting the new non-GT tires at the 36/42 spec and they instantly felt better. I have not gotten in a good run yet though to see what the pressure rise is when hot, but my butt dyno (palm of my hand) says they are warmer after my commute. My last bike (440lbs) got the expected 10%/20% rise in hot pressure running 30/33 for reference.

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    I think i might hold on to my pressures until i can get onto a longer ride, and get some good heat into the tyres. Then i'll be able to better judge if the hot pressures/increased pressures reduce ride comfort and handling, and if i do need to reduce my cold pressures by 0.1/0.2 Bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ123 View Post
    I think i might hold on to my pressures until i can get onto a longer ride, and get some good heat into the tyres. Then i'll be able to better judge if the hot pressures/increased pressures reduce ride comfort and handling, and if i do need to reduce my cold pressures by 0.1/0.2 Bar.
    Well i've now done about 1K miles on these so far, and they feel much better now. I did drop my cold pressures by 0.1-0.2 Bar (2-3 PSI) F & R, and now when riding (at these cool temps) my riding/'hot' pressure is about 2.6 & 2.8 Bar F & R. The bike feels more stable, less vibrations on badly surfaced roads and seems to conform better to the road surface - i feel like they're now digging in a little better rather than riding on top of the surface.
    The tyre wear i can see on the front edge of the grooves look good and consistent (checking my new rear shock is set up right), and you can see the tacky/pin pricked rubber look on the shoulders after a ride on some twisty roads.
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    After a long weekend away on the bike, and just over 900 miles covered i really got to 'test' the tyres and what they're capable of.

    They have Pilot Power levels of grip and feedback. They inspire lots of confidence when cornering and give you lots of feedback about the road surface, much needed when some of the roads are not completely smooth. The heat up really quickly and have a good bite on the shoulders when on the stickier compound (this was in temps of circa 10-15 deg C).
    What i've now noticed is a slight step between the softer compound and the harder central one, which is slightly concerning at this stage as the tyre is still relatively new and has not been ridden in hot conditions. I'm hoping this does not accelerate with the hotter summer temperatures and lead to a stepped edge onto the shoulder.

    Hard to see in the picture, but you can feel a slight step.

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    I could/can always see and feel the step with my hand, but never felt it while riding. If you spend more time in the twisties than you do on the highway you'll probably eat the shoulders up. These are a great commuting/slabbing tire with the occasional weekend of canyon carving but if you don't spend enough time upright you won't wear the harder center section fast enough to keep the tire round, it'll go pointy on you. Pretty much the opposite of what tires normally do.

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    I'm now about 3K miles into these tyres and thought it's a good time for an update.

    Tread depth is between 4-5mm across the (rear) tyre, wearing pretty evenly. I didn't measure them when new but i'd estimate they were 6-7mm. Which would mean i have at least another 3-4k left before its close to the wear bars.

    I've ridden in some pretty torrential rain & flooded roads recently and they performed fantastically well. The bike was sure footed and gave plenty of feedback about the grip levels.
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    From this broad test program, we tracked down that high-scoring UHP summer tires last around 35,000 to 40,000 miles, including the first class Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Add another 20,000 miles or so for most high-scoring UHP throughout the season tires.
    https://focusoilfilter.com/bridgestone-vs-michelin/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacquelartin View Post
    From this broad test program, we tracked down that high-scoring UHP summer tires last around 35,000 to 40,000 miles, including the first class Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Add another 20,000 miles or so for most high-scoring UHP throughout the season tires.
    https://focusoilfilter.com/bridgestone-vs-michelin/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacquelartin View Post
    From this broad test program, we tracked down that high-scoring UHP summer tires last around 35,000 to 40,000 miles, including the first class Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Add another 20,000 miles or so for most high-scoring UHP throughout the season tires.
    https://focusoilfilter.com/bridgestone-vs-michelin/
    Jacquelartin: Your post really doesn't make any sense in a motorcycle forum. How about letting us know where you live and what motorcycle you ride. Clearly there are not any motorcycle tires that last that many miles. Maybe automobile tires, but this is a BMW motorcycle forum and if you don't start posting replies that are motorcycle related and that make sense here, it is going to appear that you are a bot and you will be banned from the forum. Time to straighten up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    Jacquelartin: Your post really doesn't make any sense in a motorcycle forum. How about letting us know where you live and what motorcycle you ride. Clearly there are not any motorcycle tires that last that many miles. Maybe automobile tires, but this is a BMW motorcycle forum and if you don't start posting replies that are motorcycle related and that make sense here, it is going to appear that you are a bot and you will be banned from the forum. Time to straighten up.
    it's a spam bot . . . . (check out the other forum messages its posted)

    There's a few posts and they're all generic responses based on key words in the post.
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    Yup, though I would suspect they aren't actually spam bots because they aren't leading us anywhere. My guess is AI machine learning, call it a modern day Turing test.

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    Well, they sure have me fooled. Those bots or AI's are getting smarter than me. I guess if I see another post that doesn't make any sense, I will give it the heave-ho.
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    None of them make sense in context. They pick a piece of information that was discussed and then throw together a sentence about that subject with some internet based facts thrown in for good measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcb78 View Post
    None of them make sense in context. They pick a piece of information that was discussed and then throw together a sentence about that subject with some internet based facts thrown in for good measure.
    Well, that is certainly tricky. I guess I am just not up on the latest form of spam. But what is the goal of this type of spam that just makes random comments? Is the bot trying to build up its post count? My understanding of spam is (or was) that it tries to sell you some product that you would not be interested in buying, or directs you to a site that might contain malware. Is there more to it now? And how can you tell if it is actually a bot, especially when the forum is visited by people who might not have English as their first language? And if bots start dropping spam into the forum in a different language, I would be completely lost as it is all I can do to maintain a command of English and can't comprehend any other language. I wouldn't want to toss someone off of the forum just because their post seemed a little weird.

    Hey, I just discovered a post in another language that I was able to determine was spam when I saw the word "poker". That caused me to ban that joker. (I hope he didn't mean to type the word "porker". )
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    That I don't know. My guess is that the creators are trying to refine their bots until we can't tell they're bots, and then set them loose to subtly 'suggest' product in the correct context. Spam bot in training. It could also be completely academic and someone has set them loose to improve their AI programming skill, much in the same way that many hackers aren't actually bad, they just tinker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcb78 View Post
    That I don't know. My guess is that the creators are trying to refine their bots until we can't tell they're bots, and then set them loose to subtly 'suggest' product in the correct context. Spam bot in training. It could also be completely academic and someone has set them loose to improve their AI programming skill, much in the same way that many hackers aren't actually bad, they just tinker.
    That is a scary thought. I guess it won't be long before the AI bots are smarter than I am. Maybe they should be hired as forum moderators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalesman View Post
    A bot can't ride a bike. And if one day it does, it won't have the emotions to enjoy it
    I thought a couple of years ago Yamaha showed off a bot that could ride one of their motorcycles around a test track. And then there was Honda who showed off a motorcycle that would stay upright at slow speed and follow the rider as he walked around in front of it. What won't they think of next? A bot that posts comments on a motorcycle forum? Meanwhile, I sure have caused this thread topic to drift. My bad.
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    A bot can't ride a bike. And if one day it does, it won't have the emotions to enjoy it
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