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    HI:

    COuld some explain the difference between a ST and GT f 800 is? ALso , Does any one know the the changes from the 2008 F800 st and the 2018 f 800 GT?


    Pleease explain.

    Many Thanks
    Be safe

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    Google is your friend. Look up the online reviews for the “new” 2013 F800GT and they’ll explain the differences from the outgoing F800ST.
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    emlevy had some really good advice. The only thing I can add is to look at the GT as being the "upgrade" to the ST. The ST wasn't bad at all, but from what I understand, BMW listened to the ST owners and made some changes that showed up in the GT.

    But either bike is great. If you find a good example of an ST, and like it...buy it.

    There's a good looking ST that was just listed today. https://f800riders.org/forum/showthr...07#post2862907

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    Biggest changes:

    1. Drive by wire on the GT vs. Traditional Throttle Cable on the ST
    2. Fairing and windshield are slightly broader on the GT. GT has better support/windshield stability.
    3. Traction control settings on the GT (Rain, Road, Dynamic)
    4. Traditional turn signals on the GT vs. Paddle Turn Signals (we miss the old ones)
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    Chris (Daboo) has it about right, simply an "upgrade" from one model to the next.

    For me, I actually preferred the ST and bought the very last ST the dealership had when the first GTs were already coming on-line. I prefer the slightly smaller fairing and windshield of the ST, plus the smaller sport panniers of the ST. I don't believe you can go wrong with either machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudio_S View Post
    Biggest changes:

    1. Drive by wire on the GT vs. Traditional Throttle Cable on the ST
    2. Fairing and windshield are slightly broader on the GT. GT has better support/windshield stability.
    3. Traction control settings on the GT (Rain, Road, Dynamic)
    4. Traditional turn signals on the GT vs. Paddle Turn Signals (we miss the old ones)
    Claudio has it right for the latest GTs BMW produced. The earlier models were a little different in some ways.

    1. We have a traditional throttle.
    3. We get traction control that is either on or off.

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    As someone who has owned both and put lots of miles on both . . . . the main difference is the intitals. Seiously you you'll pleased with eith model. Welcm to the forum LOrelei
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete99 View Post
    Swingarm and belt.
    ??? What's different about the swingarms and belts? I thought they're the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royce View Post
    ??? What's different about the swingarms and belts? I thought they're the same?
    The GT swinging arm is longer, so the belt has to be too

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    Also more power on the GT, an extra 5BHP . . . .
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    All good replies. GT has longer swing arm and belt. Lower rear suspension (standard GT seat height is 800mm). Stiffer front forks. Smaller fuel tank. Lower driver pegs. Wider fairing and screen. Different handlebars (rubber mounted). Different indicator switch. Black crankcase and engine. Different tank bag. Can be specified with sports or hard panniers but neither will fit the ST because the GT exhaust is mounted higher. GT has 5hp more. GT can be specified with ASC and ESA, plus later models have ride by wire and throttle modes. Later models have a black (vs silver) lower fork brace. Handlebars are different, in diameter as well as having rubber mounts. Brake master cylinder reservoir is mounted more flush to the front brake lever on the GT. Latest GTs have revised decals on the speedo and tacho. GT has slightly longer rear view mirror stalks. Horn and headlight dip switches are different on the GT. Bar end weights are different (bigger). Latest GTs meet Euro 4 emissions regs as opposed to Euro 3 with the ST and earlier Gts. Exhaust end can is different between STs, earlier GTs and later Gts. Gts have a drain tune for the water pump in case of any coolant weeping. GT has different design of alloy wheel spokes. More differences than first appear. I've had both bikes. Both are good. Prefer the riding position on the GT though. Less extreme.
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    and the GT's are way faster !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Hand Drive View Post
    ...... Lower driver pegs.........Prefer the riding position on the GT though. Less extreme.
    Excellent and comprehensive reply. I’ll just add a touch more detail on the rider’s footpeg differences: the ST foot pegs are 15mm higher and 15mm further rearward compared to GT. I have an ‘10 ST and my wife rides a ‘16 GT so I’ve made the measurements directly off both machines. Despite the supposed 5hp increase on the GT, my ST feels quicker and more willing to rev up than her GT. Could be the GT’s extra weight and it’s extra lean fueling that makes the ST seem more responsive by comparison. As has been said before, you cannot go wrong with either!

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    The motorcycle ergonomics website will let you visually see what Andy was describing above. http://cycle-ergo.com You can customize the vehicle and the rider both. So while it defaults to someone 6' high, you can set it to your own individual height, plus make mods to the bike like lowering footpegs, etc. All the changes you make will be reflected in the Forward Lean, Hip Angle and Knee Angle.

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    I agree with Andy. Both of my ‘07 ST’s felt quicker, smoother, and revved more freely than my ‘13 GT. My GT has never felt as lively as either of those bikes, and is noticeably coarser.
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    Also wanted to expand a bit more on the front fork difference between the ST and the GT. At first glance, both bikes are equipped with seemingly identical Showa 43mm conventional damper rod forks with the GT’s forks being slightly shorter and painted black. But, only by riding both back to back, is it clear the GT’s front suspension is clearly better as supplied from the factory than the ST. It is the result of many things that cumulatively add up to a noticeable improvement in feeling of control and precision despite the more relaxed ergonomics. I could write an entire thread on the differences and their impacts but basics are the GT has 15mm shorter travel, more weight distributed on the front tire, stiffer effective spring rate, less fork stanchion-to-slider play due to a taller upper fork bushing and greater steering rigidity thanks to the fork brace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizdad View Post
    and the GT's are way faster !
    Entièrement d'accord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysrage View Post
    Could be the GT’s extra weight and it’s extra lean fueling that makes the ST seem more responsive by comparison. As has been said before, you cannot go wrong with either!
    My wife just went to a 2019 GT from her 2007 ST and finds the GT to be less responsive on the throttle. This is due to the ride-by-wire on the newer GTs vs. the direct throttle connection on the older STs.
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