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    Recently posted a WTB ad for a center stand. Received a PM from forum member Cowboy77 [unclear on his part in this, if any] with a lead to contact Robert Holmes [[email protected]] as he had one he wanted to sell. Contacted Mr.Holmes [real name?, unlikely] who confirmed he had one to sell, he sent pics of actual part, looked decent and we struck a deal. Paid for it via Zelle and haven't heard from him since. My bad I know but I have bought/sold many used parts via motorcycle specific forums over the years [BMW, Guzzi] and always found the motorcycling community to be a VERY thoughtful and trusting community. Too bad dirtbags like this troll the web to take advantage.

    In the words of the Captain on Hill Street Blues, "Let's be careful out there"

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    Very unfortunate, sorry to hear about your experience.
    I was curious about the profile of cowboy77, but not much to read.

    https://f800riders.org/forum/member.php/297469-cowboy77

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    Any chance of getting the money back? Certain pay apps have rules that can favor the buyer. It's worth contacting Zelle and at the very least reporting this guy so his account gets flagged. Anything you can do to make his life a bit more uncomfortable the better at this point. Sorry to hear about that.

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    Contacted Zelle and they were absolutely useless. Don't think there is anything I can do on my end at this point but meeting with my bank this morning to at least see if a fraudulent claim can be filed.

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    That's a shame. I do paypal all the time and have no problems. I've not been disappointed with the merchandise I got either. If something was described as used, it was but still functional .I'm not real familiar with being on the selling end and got the money by check from paypal.
    Never heard of Zelle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notacop View Post
    That's a shame. I do paypal all the time and have no problems. I've not been disappointed with the merchandise I got either. If something was described as used, it was but still functional .I'm not real familiar with being on the selling end and got the money by check from paypal.
    Never heard of Zelle.
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    I, too, have not had any issues with PayPal and have had numerous transactions with private parties [both buyer and seller] over the years. This was my first time with Zelle and so far not impressed. I did file a fraudulent claim through my bank [Chase] this morning so we'll see what happens. Not real hopeful of seeing my $$ back but if I can make life a little miserable for the seller it'll be worth it.

    Stay tuned for updates.

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    Not sure how much cowboy77 has to do with this, other than passing on info of something that might be useful to someone else. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Zelle has a way to contact them for support. https://www.zellepay.com/support/contact I'd try that, and soon.

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    That should work, since Zelle is set up to be just like PayPal.

    Bottom line, caveat emptor.

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    Chris - Thanks for that information. Accordingly, I have now filed a claim with both Zelle and Chase Bank. Appreciate the heads up and have renewed faith in the motorcycle community.

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    There have been a couple of times when a seller has not done what they promised.......from not sending the part to selling me something that was damaged or not accurately described.

    PayPal has come through for me when I filed a complaint -- and always got me my money back.

    So......if I am dealing with an unknown seller, I always use PayPal and pay their fees and specifically make a payment for merchandise.......don't use the "Send Money to Friends" option.

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    Good Luck. Hoping you are able to salvage this.

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    UPDATE - Not much to report other than the following:

    * My bank [Chase] responded to my fraud claim that their 'investigation' found no illegal activity. I assume this to mean that since I sent the money via Zelle [as opposed to it being fraudulently taken from my account] they will not go any further.

    * With information provided by Daboo I filed a scam report with Zelle. Got a quick automated response from Zelle with a case number (!) and said I would hear back in 2 business days. That was over a week ago and nothing but crickets since.

    * Additionally, I filed a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center [division of the FBI] last week though not expecting much there due to the relatively minor theft involved. Again, just trying to make life miserable for the seller.

    * To add some additional info and hopefully save others a future headache the email used to pay via Zelle was [email protected]; supposedly for Tasha Holmes

    * I did reach out to forum member Cowboy77 from where the sales lead originally came via PM and got no reply. Come to your own conclusion there.

    * What did I/we learn? STAY away from Zelle and stick with PayPal [not the Friends/Family version] when buying things from strangers as forum member Notacop suggested as at least they have some safeguards in place to protect the buyer. And that not all who visit these forums are friends of the motorcycling community; some are just scumbags.
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    FWIW, cowboy77 hasn't been online for two weeks. Some people don't sign in when they visit the forum, and just browse through reading what they wish. So not hearing from him could be very easily explained without being anything negative.

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