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    No sweat, I'll probably be dead by then. I hope the infrastructure to support the move is in place by then and that the technology is more advanced than what is available now.

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    Actually, I am ready for this. I assume the technology will advance quickly and the infrastructure (highway design, etc) will be in place by 2030 or thereabouts. I wish the rest of the US would follow suit. My only concern is the transition period between now and then will be "adventurous" for us geezers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royce View Post
    Actually, I am ready for this. I assume the technology will advance quickly and the infrastructure (highway design, etc) will be in place by 2030 or thereabouts. I wish the rest of the US would follow suit. My only concern is the transition period between now and then will be "adventurous" for us geezers.
    Don't expect the Hydrogen Highway to be up to speed by that date.
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    I wouldn't hold your breath on the infrastructure being there. The Puget Sound area has some of the worst roads I've encountered in all my travels. I've seriously considered getting rid of the GT to get a bike more suited for off-road use, just to deal with the pot holes and places where the road surface has simply broken up and is gone.

    If they can't maintain what they have already, do you really think they'll get the charging stations needed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    I wouldn't hold your breath on the infrastructure being there. The Puget Sound area has some of the worst roads I've encountered in all my travels. I've seriously considered getting rid of the GT to get a bike more suited for off-road use, just to deal with the pot holes and places where the road surface has simply broken up and is gone.

    If they can't maintain what they have already, do you really think they'll get the charging stations needed?

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    That is my concern. Biden wants to build something like 500,000 new charging stations around the country as part of his "infrastructure" program. They can build them OK, probably built and installed by a big electrical or charging station contracting firm, but once built who will maintain them? From what I hear, many charging stations can have problems that require regular attention and without a reliable company to keep them maintained properly, the entire system will eventually fall into disrepair and that will do nothing to further EV sales when drivers out in the boondocks try to recharge their cars only to discover that they are out of luck and stranded because the government's charging stations are no longer functional.
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    i suppose that the charging stations will be a "pay for" service. If that is the case then they may go the way of ATM's. I met a fellow who built a number of ATM's in remote under served places. When the banks realized how much he was profiting from them they bought out his interest and left him with a few wildly dispersed ATM's in remote Northern Calif. The fellow retired comfortably.
    The same could happen with the charging stations. You could set up a charging fee and the more remote, the more you charge, just like gas stations. you'd have a captive audience. Those out of the way charging stations could become quite lucrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notacop View Post
    i suppose that the charging stations will be a "pay for" service. If that is the case then they may go the way of ATM's. I met a fellow who built a number of ATM's in remote under served places. When the banks realized how much he was profiting from them they bought out his interest and left him with a few wildly dispersed ATM's in remote Northern Calif. The fellow retired comfortably.
    The same could happen with the charging stations. You could set up a charging fee and the more remote, the more you charge, just like gas stations. you'd have a captive audience. Those out of the way charging stations could become quite lucrative.
    But ATM's were not sited and built on the government's dime. If the government built them and then just gave them to a particular individual or company, I imagine that there would be an uproar from anyone getting left out, especially if they had connections with a Congressional politician.
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    There will be a major correction before then. Or civilization will collapse.

    This is legislation by wishful thinking. If wishful thinking worked then Russia, China, Cuba, and Venezuela would be paradises.
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    I don't care for the government legislating the change and banning ICE vehicles. There does need to be improved electrical generation, be it home solar or other power plants like nuclear and wind farms.

    That being said, I made the move to an EV last fall. I have only used the public chargers twice - on a trip to Baltimore and back. With a range of 300+ miles, all my charging is done at home except for a long road trips. Even when I get back on the road to see customers, it is rare that i have a 300 mile day as most customers in my area are close by due to densities. I think many are in the same boat that most charging will be at home. There certainly needs to be more chargers to support the growth in number of vehicles vs today but sometimes the issue of public charging gets overblown (at least on the East Coast). And the model is not to turn gas stations into charging stations. It to disperse chargers to where people work, shop, eat to get a 20 minute blast of electrons.

    While I do like my EV, I don't feel it is right for all nor should it be forced upon all. You cannot effectively tow a trailer any distance with today's EVs and in cold climes the ranges drops significantly too. Of course the technology will continue to advance and, if others find EVs right, the market will dictate. Just like it is hard to find sedans today or manual transmissions - both of which I enjoy driving.
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    The issue in Washington is that we had a guy who convinced people to not pay for infrastructure by cutting our license tag fees to zip. Can't pay for maintenance if there's no money.

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