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    Hello All,

    Just about finished my current set of Road 5 in the rear and Power 5 in the front.
    Always rode michelin till thus far (powers & roads alike). But this current 5 series doesn't work right for me.
    The rear tends to overheat quite fast (bluing near the edges) and the thread scallops severly (front and rear).
    I burn through a front and rear in this configuration in about 6000 km's (about 3750 miles). And use the front and rear from edge to edge.
    Since 6500 km's is not that much anyway a pure "sport" tyre is out fo the question since they tend to wear out even faster.

    That is why I decided to move away front michelin and try another brand.
    So far I narrowed my choice down to either the Pirelli Angel GT II or the Metzeler Roadtec 01 SE.
    I know Metzeler and Pirelli are basically the same company, the "professional" reviewers are non decisive between the two brand and types.
    I seems to be heading to a coin toss choice for me.

    The raises the question for me, does anyone have any experience with either (of both) of these tyres?
    I ride quite spirited and like to lean alot. I ride only solo with 10% of the time with panniers and lugage and almost exclusively when it's dry.

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    The bluing on the edge is the mixture of the harder/softer compounds. Nothing to worry about there - i had the same on a Power 3 tyre where the compounds met.

    What tyre pressures do you run as this can help with odd tyre wear. I had to slightly lower mine to help with the harder carcass, & i've had no issues of odd tyre wear front or rear over the last 7K miles.

    You seem to have run the tyres down very quickly for those miles. I can get that mileage from the rear of a Michelin Pilot Power 2CT. And the centre of that tyre was very soft. Do you live in a very hot country/have very rough roads?


    TBH these days you'll struggle to get a bad tyre from the top manufacturers. Go for a set of either and see how it goes! i doubt there's a lot of price difference between those 2.
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    Hi DJ123,

    The pressures I run are the stock recommended pressures (2.9 rear, 2.5 front). Had the same combo on my last bike (Kawa Z750) which I ran at 2.6 rear and 2.3 front, it wore down in the same pattern.
    The bluing doesn't happen where the compounds meet but on the absolute edge of the tyre, also the softer side compunds wear a lot quicker than the harder middle compound (softer sides are appr. .5 mm lower with an obvious step).

    I mostly ride in the Netherlands, we do have some rough abbrasive roads, but not many bumps. It is just the surface roughness of the road material used.

    I think it will either be a coin flip or just simply the pirelli because I like the thread pattern a bit better

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    I've used the Roadtec 01 twice. If you go with those, buy the HWM version for the rear. When the tires first came out, that was the spec to use. Now they've changed to where they allow using either version...but it made a huge difference for me in tire life.

    I recommend going to the Revzilla page for both tires and look at the user ratings. The older Pirelli GT actually rates higher than the replacement GT II.

    FWIW, I'd go to the Continental RoadAttack III tires. The grip is outstanding and confidence building more than any other tire I've ever used. I'm done "experimenting" with tires and just sticking with these from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joepi5 View Post
    Hi DJ123,

    The pressures I run are the stock recommended pressures (2.9 rear, 2.5 front). Had the same combo on my last bike (Kawa Z750) which I ran at 2.6 rear and 2.3 front, it wore down in the same pattern.
    The bluing doesn't happen where the compounds meet but on the absolute edge of the tyre, also the softer side compunds wear a lot quicker than the harder middle compound (softer sides are appr. .5 mm lower with an obvious step).

    I mostly ride in the Netherlands, we do have some rough abbrasive roads, but not many bumps. It is just the surface roughness of the road material used.

    I think it will either be a coin flip or just simply the pirelli because I like the thread pattern a bit better
    Peculiar why it has worn out so quickly. Is your suspension in good working order? I also have the step down from the centre to the softer compound on the outer. Really highlights how much of a change in softness there is!

    i've been running 2.2 bar F & 2.5 bar R on my ST the past 7K miles, and the roads here in the UK i would say are probably a similar surface to what you have in the Netherlands with similar temperatures too.

    TBH that's what iv'e done before, gone for what looks good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ123 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joepi5 View Post
    Hi DJ123,

    The pressures I run are the stock recommended pressures (2.9 rear, 2.5 front). Had the same combo on my last bike (Kawa Z750) which I ran at 2.6 rear and 2.3 front, it wore down in the same pattern.
    The bluing doesn't happen where the compounds meet but on the absolute edge of the tyre, also the softer side compunds wear a lot quicker than the harder middle compound (softer sides are appr. .5 mm lower with an obvious step).

    I mostly ride in the Netherlands, we do have some rough abbrasive roads, but not many bumps. It is just the surface roughness of the road material used.

    I think it will either be a coin flip or just simply the pirelli because I like the thread pattern a bit better <img src="https://f800riders.org/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile_clown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Clown" class="inlineimg" />
    Peculiar why it has worn out so quickly. Is your suspension in good working order? I also have the step down from the centre to the softer compound on the outer. Really highlights how much of a change in softness there is!

    i've been running 2.2 bar F & 2.5 bar R on my ST the past 7K miles, and the roads here in the UK i would say are probably a similar surface to what you have in the Netherlands with similar temperatures too.

    TBH that's what iv'e done before, gone for what looks good.
    Well, I weigh alot myself, that won't help the suspension &#x1f609;. But in my opinion the suspension is working fine. I don't mind the fast wearing at all actually, it just don't like the way it wears. The clear ridge I have now (between the compounds) just feels a bit iffy when starting to lean. That also makes it harder to adjust my line mid corner.

    I really think it has to do with my riding style and the particular type of tyre. Perhaps in time the road 6 will suit me better again.

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    Then you might want to look at the Continental RAIII tires. They use one compound across the tire tread, and use a combination of temperature and pressure to get the same kind of effect as having a multi-compound tire.

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    I like the PR4 much better than the R5 but both are relatively soft squirmy tires. I don't like either on the front where my favorite has been the discontinued Bridgestone T31GT. The T30, T31, and (presumably) T32 are among the stiffest tires I have seen. GT variant even more so. For some reason my happy spot is a T31GT front and PR4GT rear.

    The PR4GT rear sidewall is much softer than a T31 not-GT rear sidewall. Then T31GT is even stiffer. I have to let 4 PSI out of a rear T30 Evo not-GT to be happy.
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    PR4 was indeed far better. I find the T31's (on my wifes kawasaki ER6) to be ok, but have never really rode them hard.
    T31's/32's will be on her kawasaki again because she likes them so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    Then you might want to look at the Continental RAIII tires. They use one compound across the tire tread, and use a combination of temperature and pressure to get the same kind of effect as having a multi-compound tire.

    Chris
    Might be worth checking out! never really thought of conti as motorcycle tyres, as I dislike their car tyres for (again) wear pattern.

    The ecocontact 6's on which my car currently sits cup like crazy. My previous car came fitted with conti's from the factory and wore out in 20000 km's (12500 miles) which was quite fast.

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    Continental has been making motorcycle tires in Germany for at least the past 50 years, as I recall. They were always a favorite tire of BMW airhead owners. But a while ago they moved their manufacturing plant to South Korea. As near as I can tell, the tires being made at that modern plant are of high quality. No doubt that move was prompted by the cost of manufacturing anything in the EU and tire sales are certainly price-sensitive. I imagine that the tires are still being designed at their research facility in Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    Continental has been making motorcycle tires in Germany for at least the past 50 years, as I recall. They were always a favorite tire of BMW airhead owners. But a while ago they moved their manufacturing plant to South Korea. As near as I can tell, the tires being made at that modern plant are of high quality. No doubt that move was prompted by the cost of manufacturing anything in the EU and tire sales are certainly price-sensitive. I imagine that the tires are still being designed at their research facility in Germany.
    Probably made as well in Germany. Metzeler & Pirelli both manufacture in Germany for the european market. As does Michelin (Germany and France). Since the tyre manufacturing machines are highly automatic not much labour is needed but you do save om shipping costs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joepi5 View Post
    Probably made as well in Germany. Metzeler & Pirelli both manufacture in Germany for the european market. As does Michelin (Germany and France). Since the tyre manufacturing machines are highly automatic not much labour is needed but you do save om shipping costs!
    Perhaps building a new tire manufacturing factory is less expensive in South Korea than it is in Germany? And Worldwide shipping from South Korea might also be easier and less expensive than from Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    Continental has been making motorcycle tires in Germany for at least the past 50 years, as I recall. They were always a favorite tire of BMW airhead owners. But a while ago they moved their manufacturing plant to South Korea. As near as I can tell, the tires being made at that modern plant are of high quality. No doubt that move was prompted by the cost of manufacturing anything in the EU and tire sales are certainly price-sensitive. I imagine that the tires are still being designed at their research facility in Germany.
    One would hope so. 15 years or so ago Michelin "moved" their excellent off-road tire production from Spain to Thailand, nominally to free capacity to build Formula-1 tires in Spain. The Thai tires only had the same branding and tread patterns as the Spanish tires, and outright sucked. The S12 was once a highly respected soft knobby tire but today Michelin has lost almost all market share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joepi5 View Post
    Probably made as well in Germany. Metzeler & Pirelli both manufacture in Germany for the european market. As does Michelin (Germany and France). Since the tyre manufacturing machines are highly automatic not much labour is needed but you do save om shipping costs!
    Perhaps building a new tire manufacturing factory is less expensive in South Korea than it is in Germany? And Worldwide shipping from South Korea might also be easier and less expensive than from Germany. <img src="https://f800riders.org/forum/images/smilies/confused.png" border="0" alt="" title="Confused" class="inlineimg" />
    Might be, but from the continental website it states that the RA3 is "handbuilt in Germany". From all the continental car tyres I have seen so far are all built in europe (with a majority in Germany). I have no reason to suspect that this statement would be false.
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    You mentioned that you have high wear on your bike and car tyres? Not looking for an argument here, but have you thought of slowing down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blapper View Post
    You mentioned that you have high wear on your bike and car tyres? Not looking for an argument here, but have you thought of slowing down?
    That could be an option! I really considered it, but that would be no fun. Again, I don't mind the quick wearing of the tyres. I know with the way I ridenor drive my tyres wear out fast.

    But they need to wear in a proper manner. Little or no scalloping or cupping I mean, nice roundness on the motorcycle tyres, not steps where you have to get past to get it to lean.

    Fortunately I can get get my tyres cheap and change them my self!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joepi5 View Post
    Might be, but from the continental website it states that the RA3 is "handbuilt in Germany". From all the continental car tyres I have seen so far are all built in europe (with a majority in Germany). I have no reason to suspect that this statement would be false.
    If anyone happens to have a Continental motorcycle tire, where does it say it was manufactured on the sidewall? It should mention the country of origin somewhere in all of that printing on the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    If anyone happens to have a Continental motorcycle tire, where does it say it was manufactured on the sidewall? It should mention the country of origin somewhere in all of that printing on the tire.
    And push come to shove, the DOT code indicates the exact factory and company running the factory where the tire was built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joepi5 View Post
    Might be, but from the continental website it states that the RA3 is "handbuilt in Germany". From all the continental car tyres I have seen so far are all built in europe (with a majority in Germany). I have no reason to suspect that this statement would be false.
    If anyone happens to have a Continental motorcycle tire, where does it say it was manufactured on the sidewall? It should mention the country of origin somewhere in all of that printing on the tire.
    Perhaps I should buy conti's to find out &#x1f609;. After some research (read: watching and reading countless reviews) they seem solid as well!

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    I installed the Continental Road Attack 3 after owning the Michelin Road 5. My Michelin's seemed to be good tires and they did everything I ask of them - my rear was at the wear bars at 9,000 miles and my front at 7,000 miles.

    I have about 2,000 miles on the front and it still has a trace of the "CONTINENTAL" wording branded into the tire, the rear tire has about 3,000 miles on it and the "Continental" wording was gone after the first 1,000 miles.

    My Continental tires say they were made in Germany.

    So far.......I like these tires better than the Michelin tires - they just seem to be more stable on the entry of the corners. I have no idea how they compare to the Michelins in the wet - so far I have been able to avoid riding in the rain! It is a little too soon to guess how many miles I will get out of them - but it appears I will wear out the rear much quicker than the front.

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