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    After 62,300 miles the inevitable finally happen .
    3km from the Dieppe ferry accelerating out of a roundabout and no drive in any gear. Luckily momentum carried me to the slope down into the port and I was able to roll all the way to passport control.
    A lucky end to an amazing 3,500 mile trip to the Portimao MotoGP.
    I say inevitable because I've been carrying a spare belt with me for the last year after seeing damage in one spot that looked like it could have been a stone trapped.
    Still almost 40000 miles more than bmw recommend .
    Will the replacement out last the rest of the bike. , Anyone with more than 124000 miles ???

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    Had to push the last few metres onto the ferry
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    With luck like that I'd buy a ticket in this week's lottery.

    Might have been brown trousers moment if it had let go elsewhere.



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    You had 62,300 miles on a belt that was also damaged?
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    I think the BMW change interval is 25,000 miles. I bought a new belt at that point, and just carried it around with me whenever I went out of the local area. I'm now past that BMW recommended change interval on the second belt.

    No, I don't have more than 124,000 miles, but I'm working on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapiersurfer View Post
    After 62,300 miles the inevitable finally happen .
    3km from the Dieppe ferry accelerating out of a roundabout and no drive in any gear. Luckily momentum carried me to the slope down into the port and I was able to roll all the way to passport control.
    A lucky end to an amazing 3,500 mile trip to the Portimao MotoGP.
    I say inevitable because I've been carrying a spare belt with me for the last year after seeing damage in one spot that looked like it could have been a stone trapped.
    Still almost 40000 miles more than bmw recommend .
    Will the replacement out last the rest of the bike. , Anyone with more than 124000 miles ???
    You were smart to carry a spare one with you. Mine failed after 6,000 miles and I had to wait 5 weeks (with crazy shipping delays) to finally get a new one. It was painful not being able to ride during that time.

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    With the supply chain issues we're all facing, it will pay to look ahead and buy what you need. I'm already looking at tires.

    Both the future increased price and the lack of availability will make having the items on hand, well worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    With the supply chain issues we're all facing, it will pay to look ahead and buy what you need. I'm already looking at tires.

    Both the future increased price and the lack of availability will make having the items on hand, well worthwhile.

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    Chris: Like you I was wondering about the tires supplies - so I ordered a set of Continental Road Attack 3's a couple weeks ago (my current favorite tire).

    The front tire was built a year ago.....the rear tire came from OEMcycle was 3.5 years old - so I sent it back. I ordered another one from American Moto Tire........it was 4.5 years old and I sent it back. I ordered one from Revzilla.....it was 4 years old and I sent it back. The next (and last) tire I ordered came from Northeast Cycle Shop and was built (1318) - which makes it 3.5 years old....but I am going to keep this one and use it, as it seems like the best I can get right now. The tire warehouses are out of tires, and Continental is shipping them older tires from their warehouse........not sure why Continental didn't rotate their stock years ago and sell the older ones first (they should have sold these tires years ago).

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    Thanks, Thumpin. That is good information to know. I always look at the manufacturing date of my new tires, but I bet many other people do not.
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    Anyone can recommend where I can source the belt in the US? Do not want to deal with BMW dealer.

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    I had a 2013 Valencia Orange F800GT for 5 years and she had 62K miles on the clock before I replaced her with a 2019 year model of the same bike. Bought the 2013 used with 29K miles and replaced the belt at 48K. BMW charged £900 for that service Since then I learned that it's not that difficult to replace the thing myself so not going to make the same mistake twice. Good to know that the belt lasts that long and that your adventure had the best possible outcome given the circumstances Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJK311 View Post
    Anyone can recommend where I can source the belt in the US? Do not want to deal with BMW dealer.
    Amazon had them - but they currently show they are out of stock.
    https://us.amazon.com/ContiTech-CT12.../dp/B07VTX37Y3

    I ordered mine from the eBay seller in Latvia. It took several weeks to get here - but it did arrive and is hanging on my wall. My bike just turned 24,000 miles and the original belt looks fine.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/25528293921...3ABFBMyuzu8rxf

    Here is a thread about ordering belts:
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapiersurfer View Post
    Had to push the last few metres onto the ferry
    thank goodness you were in the lower level, pushing up that slick ramp wouldn't be fun.

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    This is where I got my belt from, https://www.ebay.com/itm/32466482684...53.m2749.l2649 . Ordered from an eBay seller in Kaunas, Lithuania on 11-29-21, arrived to my door in Arizona on 12-24-21. It has 182 teeth and is 34.56 mm wide.
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    This seems like a great price, ordered one for "inventory." We'll see when it shows up, I'm in no hurry...

    https://cars245.com/en/item/contitec...8-timing-belt/
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickstandsup View Post
    This seems like a great price, ordered one for "inventory." We'll see when it shows up, I'm in no hurry...

    https://cars245.com/en/item/contitec...8-timing-belt/
    That listing you linked is a bit telling of the markup by BMW. At the top of the link page it shows the belt price of $102.03 and says the belt has 10 days of handling time.
    At the bottom of the same page it shows the same belt as an original BMW part - but now the price is $294.15 and it takes 15 days to get.

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    Even $295 would be a bargain compared to the $500 I paid for the first belt from BMW.

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    I ordered a belt from Cars245 a couple of months ago. I cancelled the order after 3 weeks. They originally told me it would ship in 10 days before I made the order in an email inquiry. After not getting a shipping confirmation after 3 weeks I emailed them asking when it would ship. There answer was, we are having trouble getting the belt from our supplier and do not know WHEN we will get it to ship out to you!
    This is after I made a point to verify the 10 day special order! I used PayPal, I cancelled when they could not give me any idea of when/if it might ship.
    I'll been interested to see if you get one. Hope you do. If so, I may try them again. My belt has 21k on it and is in good shape but I would like to have one on hand before I need one.
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    I have the same concern, the price seems a bit too good. We'll see if it ships, thanks for letting me know your experience.
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    I do hope they are just having supply chain issues, as so many others are, and you get the belt eventually. I just didn't want to tie up may funds on a maybe.
    It just pissed me off that I inquired before ordering and was assured they could get the belt in a timely fashion and it wasn't a backordered item for them. That proved not to be the case, unfortunately.

    While they didn't inform me of the delay, also a sore spot for me, they did refund my PayPal account in a timely manor once I asked them to cancel the order; without complaint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumpin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kickstandsup View Post
    This seems like a great price, ordered one for "inventory." We'll see when it shows up, I'm in no hurry...

    https://cars245.com/en/item/contitec...8-timing-belt/
    That listing you linked is a bit telling of the markup by BMW. At the top of the link page it shows the belt price of $102.03 and says the belt has 10 days of handling time.
    At the bottom of the same page it shows the same belt as an original BMW part - but now the price is $294.15 and it takes 15 days to get.
    The reviews on this site seems pretty bad. A lot of scam, wrong party, and refund issues. I'm sticking with eBay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJK311 View Post
    The reviews on this site seems pretty bad. A lot of scam, wrong party, and refund issues. I'm sticking with eBay.
    And you may be right, but the best price currently on eBay is about $210, still a good deal, but still more. As I said, I'm in no hurry and I'm sure with PayPal I can get my money back if it does not ship. Figure I'll give it to end of January/early Feb.
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    Well, FWIW, got a "dispatched" email from cars245 today, along with a tracking number. We'll see when it shows up. $112.70 delivered which, if it shows and is the right belt, is a screaming deal IMO. It will go "on the shelf" for the next time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickstandsup View Post
    Well, FWIW, got a "dispatched" email from cars245 today, along with a tracking number. We'll see when it shows up. $112.70 delivered which, if it shows and is the right belt, is a screaming deal IMO. It will go "on the shelf" for the next time...
    The belt comes all wadded up in a small box. When I got mine I took it out let if unfold to a single loop, and hung it on a hook on my garage wall......I didn't want it to take a set in the wadded up position. My garage is insulated and never gets very hot/cold - so I believe it is being stored in a manner that will keep it ready for use when I need it. I just hit 24,000 miles on my bike and original belt.....and the belt looks just fine.

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    Update: as of yesterday, the new belt from cars245 has arrived from Latvia to NY and is now in the hands of USPS for delivery (probably has to go thru Customs first). I'll post up when it arrives.

    Fingers crossed.
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    Was inspired by your experience with cars245 and just ordered my belt from them for 125$us including shipping.
    I couldn’t find any North American retailer and the only one available on Amazon.ca shipped from France (and at 217$Can)
    Cars245 site indicated that CT1158 for F800ST was not in stock and only Special order.
    I’m also crossing my fingers that this special order will not take weeks to materialize.
    Will keep you posted.

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    Good luck!

    I got an update this morning that it has departed the USPS Queens, NY facility and is en route to the destination. My guess is sometime this week.
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    FWW, I would keep the old one around. Your new belt could fail for some reason. Or someone here might have theirs fail, and you can help them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    FWW, I would keep the old one around. Your new belt could fail for some reason. Or someone here might have theirs fail, and you can help them out.
    Thanks for the tip
    Since a have no idea when the previous owner last changed it I intend to install the new one and keep the old one stored in the top case.

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    How many miles do you have on your bike Closterman?

    It's easy to check the belt. Put it on the centerstand and using a light and inspection mirror, turn the rear wheel and look at every inch. It's not hard to do.

    I changed mine at 53,000. I had a rock get caught in the belt and puncture the belt...but that wasn't where it failed. I have a place on my "new" belt where the edge started separating. I took some super glue and dripped it into the edge. It's holding just fine. When I'm riding in the local area, I don't carry the new one. When I go out of the local area, I put the new belt in my pannier. It's a matter of risk analysis. In the local area, a tow to home isn't a big deal. A thousand miles from home...it is.

    FWIW, my experience isn't unique. Notacop's ST had 56,000? miles on it when it was totaled. It was on the original belt. The BMW specs for when to change the belt are conservative. I buy a new belt at the recommended change interval, and then store it in the garage till it is needed.

    So my point is to not change the belt when you get the new one. I'd just keep the new belt around till needed.

    Last thought...look up the YouTube video of the guy changing his in his driveway. It took him about 17 minutes. He doesn't change any adjustments. I followed his procedure and haven't needed to adjust mine either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daboo View Post
    How many miles do you have on your bike Closterman?

    It's easy to check the belt. Put it on the centerstand and using a light and inspection mirror, turn the rear wheel and look at every inch. It's not hard to do.

    I changed mine at 53,000. I had a rock get caught in the belt and puncture the belt...but that wasn't where it failed. I have a place on my "new" belt where the edge started separating. I took some super glue and dripped it into the edge. It's holding just fine. When I'm riding in the local area, I don't carry the new one. When I go out of the local area, I put the new belt in my pannier. It's a matter of risk analysis. In the local area, a tow to home isn't a big deal. A thousand miles from home...it is.

    FWIW, my experience isn't unique. Notacop's ST had 56,000? miles on it when it was totaled. It was on the original belt. The BMW specs for when to change the belt are conservative. I buy a new belt at the recommended change interval, and then store it in the garage till it is needed.

    So my point is to not change the belt when you get the new one. I'd just keep the new belt around till needed.

    Last thought...look up the YouTube video of the guy changing his in his driveway. It took him about 17 minutes. He doesn't change any adjustments. I followed his procedure and haven't needed to adjust mine either.

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    Currently my bike is at 139k (around 86k miles). The maintenance records that came with the bike shows the belt was first changed at 22k miles after the rear bearing seized. I guessed it was replaced again around 60k. So I might getting close to change time again.
    It funny you mentioned “it’s a matter of risk analysis”. Because risk analysis is my job, I’m an occupational Health & Safety Manager. So yes I’ve considered the facts that 1:this belt is not easy to find (I rather not have to buy it from the BMW dealer, and they are only four Motorrad dealers in Quebec). 2: It might take weeks to ship (don’t want to ruin an already short riding season here up North) and I rather spend the money on a new belt as an “insurance” for ease of mind in case it does break. 3: I don’t always check the type of roads I might end up on and here in Quebec a paved rural road could suddenly change to a packed gravel road for several miles. By having a spare belt on hand I won’t worry so much about the gravel and keep going instead of turning around.

    Thanks for the tip I will leave the old one on and carry the new one.
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    Well, the belt from cars245 arrived from Latvia today. Appears brand new, in correct Contitech box with correct stamping on the belt itself. I have no reason to think it is not genuine.

    Ordered 12/24/21, shipped 1/5/22, arrived today USPS, 1/18/22, less than one month after order, across two holidays and in the middle of a pandemic. $112.70 US dollars, delivered.

    It is now unfurled, hanging on my garage wall, patiently waiting for when it is needed.

    I'm happy...
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    Any guide to install?

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    Any guide to install?
    https://youtu.be/V7wvAbzNntE

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickstandsup View Post
    Well, the belt from cars245 arrived from Latvia today. Appears brand new, in correct Contitech box with correct stamping on the belt itself. I have no reason to think it is not genuine.

    Ordered 12/24/21, shipped 1/5/22, arrived today USPS, 1/18/22, less than one month after order, across two holidays and in the middle of a pandemic. $112.70 US dollars, delivered.

    It is now unfurled, hanging on my garage wall, patiently waiting for when it is needed.

    I'm happy...

    I had the same experience with Cars245. Seemed kinda sketchy, especially when I got an error message when I placed the order. They answered my email about it in a day and I got the belt in about a month.

    cheers----->Al

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    So...a question to those of you who are much smarter than I am. Why unpack the belt?

    When I took off the OEM belt, it was the same size as the new belt. There was no stretching. Getting the bends out might help on installation, but even that shouldn't make much difference.

    When I took trips, I took the new unpackaged belt with me, which was a pain in the rear. It takes up a lot of room. With it still in the box, it is pretty compact. And if it was detrimental to the life of the belt, why would the manufacturer store it that way...potentially for years?

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